Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[rcpd34]

larry_kruzan wrote:

dfranks wrote:

larry_kruzan wrote:

What do you think?

I have to tell you that if I was in the market for a diesel van I would seriousely look at the Sprinter. Best overall mileage of the 3.
Cheapest to maintain, and the best rated van on the market. I think it is a Mercedes powered diesel. I think the pricing starts at under 40K. I have a few of our suppliers that own them and they have noting but good to say about them.

http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/sprinter/low_cost/fuel_economy/


no affiliation, just an opinion

I was looking at a sprinter when I bought this one UNTIL I checked the towing capicity - 3500lbs!!!!!

My toolbox weighs that much! Well not quite.

Larry

Even the dually?

[larry_kruzan]

dfranks wrote:

larry_kruzan wrote:

What do you think?

I have to tell you that if I was in the market for a diesel van I would seriousely look at the Sprinter. Best overall mileage of the 3.
Cheapest to maintain, and the best rated van on the market. I think it is a Mercedes powered diesel. I think the pricing starts at under 40K. I have a few of our suppliers that own them and they have noting but good to say about them.

http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/sprinter/low_cost/fuel_economy/


no affiliation, just an opinion

I was looking at a sprinter when I bought this one UNTIL I checked the towing capicity - 3500lbs!!!!!

My toolbox weighs that much! Well not quite.

Larry

[dfranks]

larry_kruzan wrote:
I am driving a 1 year old 2009 E350 w/V10 4.10 gears, has 20k miles on it and pulling a 8800lb Jayco 320RLDS. I will be replacing the van next year after it hits 40k or 50k miles. Mostly I trade because I'm in a power wheelchair (350lbs wheelchair) and can't walk away from a broken van.

I did brake down once with a old van and since tow trucks would not tow the van with me in the van – State Police had to carry me to a squad car, then drive me to the service center. no fun. If I have to buy a new one every year to feel comfortable with it, I will.

I have no idea what Ford will offer in its lineup for vans next year but I was told that a diesel may not even be an option. The v10 does a good job with towing but some of the benefits of a diesel are attractive.

Now no flames please.:(

All that said, I really would like to stop losing so much money on trades by keeping the van longer. So would buying a van with a diesel give me the confidence due to its durability. And will I gain enough longevity to offset it’s $7000 cost uptick. Current fuel costs are pretty much equal so that’s no issue.

My vans with the wheelchair conversion are running $67,000 so adding another $7000 to the price is a bite since retirement is fast approaching. I want to spend more money on RVing less on vans.

What do you think?

I have to tell you that if I was in the market for a diesel van I would seriousely look at the Sprinter. Best overall mileage of the 3.
Cheapest to maintain, and the best rated van on the market. I think it is a Mercedes powered diesel. I think the pricing starts at under 40K. I have a few of our suppliers that own them and they have noting but good to say about them.

http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/sprinter/low_cost/fuel_economy/


no affiliation, just an opinion

[larry_kruzan]

I am driving a 1 year old 2009 E350 w/V10 4.10 gears, has 20k miles on it and pulling a 8800lb Jayco 320RLDS. I will be replacing the van next year after it hits 40k or 50k miles. Mostly I trade because I'm in a power wheelchair (350lbs wheelchair) and can't walk away from a broken van.

I did brake down once with a old van and since tow trucks would not tow the van with me in the van – State Police had to carry me to a squad car, then drive me to the service center. no fun. If I have to buy a new one every year to feel comfortable with it, I will.

I have no idea what Ford will offer in its lineup for vans next year but I was told that a diesel may not even be an option. The v10 does a good job with towing but some of the benefits of a diesel are attractive.

Now no flames please.:(

All that said, I really would like to stop losing so much money on trades by keeping the van longer. So would buying a van with a diesel give me the confidence due to its durability. And will I gain enough longevity to offset it’s $7000 cost uptick. Current fuel costs are pretty much equal so that’s no issue.

My vans with the wheelchair conversion are running $67,000 so adding another $7000 to the price is a bite since retirement is fast approaching. I want to spend more money on RVing less on vans.

What do you think?

[overw8chevy]

Why do the mods allow this bash fest to continue? There is little to no good information to be found in 291 pages of this crap.


It keeps all the diesel only gas haters club rhetoric about gas engines not being able to do what we do with ours regularly in one spot rather than scattered throughout the forums.

[overw8chevy]

I only replied to this thread to keep it on top

its way too entertaining to not keep it on top

[Steakman]

From a tuner alone? Not likely. Which is it; 3 or 5? There is a big difference. I can believe 3 if you're using EFI LIVE which is a lot more involved than just plug & play tuner. And if you're running EFI, you're likey running more mods than just a tuner.

An intelligent response from someone that knows tuning. AGREED.! and at 3 mpg..they had better be traveling with an MT truck on Hwy tires and driving 60-65 mph with nothing behind the truck..! LOL

As for comments regarding the CP3 injection pump found on Duramx equiped vehicles. It does not require a lift pump per se. It is fully capable of using vacuum to bring fuel all the way from the tank to the rail. When changing filters, a hand operated pump is used to refill the lines/new filter. However, in my opinion diesel is an incredibly dirty fuel...a fuel worthy of more filtration than what an OEM fuel filter can ever provide. What I, like many have done, is install 2ndary and tertiary filtration of the fuel prior to it hitting the CP3. The issue here of course is that now one has extra restriction to consider..particularly when the filters get clogged with crap..and clogged they do. So for me it was logical to add a lift pump..a PPE in fact. I could have gone with a FASS or an AirDog or AirDog II..but the price up here in Canada was prohibitive.

For those that have never seen dirty fuel filters...take a look at what my 2 (prior to lift pump and lrg Aux filter install), filters looked like after 25,000 Km;s

This one is my Standyne FM100 filter at 5 mU (installed post OEM)


this one is my OEM at whatever rating they are.?



Now added to that I have recently installed this homebuilt module:
Filter is a Raccor @ 10 mU / pump is PPE.



Clean fuel..but it does need a lift pump - piping is all 1/2", AN8, JIC fittings the fuel line is some extra Airdog 1/2" fuel line from a buddy. The extra piping is a swing check bypass as the PPE is not a flow through pump. The moduel is installed right by the fuel cooler - drivers side frame rail. BTW, I do fill up at stations that move significant quantities of diesel fuel..

As a last comment on lift pumps for the duramx equipmed vehicles..I would rather have one as opposed to not having one and losing prime all the way back to the fuel tank..that, my friends, is a major Pain in the (_!_)..!!

Rgds,

Stk

[dubdub07]

Jarlaxle wrote:
Uhh...I only have 146 pages.

Me, too. You have it set that way in the options. More replies per page.

[Jarlaxle]

Uhh...I only have 146 pages.

[MuddyPaws1]

hehehehehe

291 pages.

Diesel for the big boy toys.

[RVbikers]

Hannibal, no comment.

[Hannibal]

It keeps all the diesel only gas haters club rhetoric about gas engines not being able to do what we do with ours regularly in one spot rather than scattered throughout the forums.:B

[RVbikers]

I wondered the same exact thing when this latest bash-fest started a few weeks ago.

[Biggziff]

Why do the mods allow this bash fest to continue? There is little to no good information to be found in 291 pages of this crap.

[dubdub07]

Tarantula wrote:
It would seem that not many have learned that in engaging in a battle of wits with Hannibal, you're dealing with an unarmed person!!!

MAN do we need some new cliches!!!:R