This is a reply I got from Jeep when I asked why I could not "build and Price" a Grand Cherokee with a diesel. Doesn't make sense.It is great to read of your interest in Jeep!Please be advised that the "Build & Price" feature on the Jeep website is meant to reflect the Jeep Grand Cherokee models within the dealerships' inventories and not the ordering system. With that being said, because the 3.0L EcoDiesel was pending EPA Certification for the 2017 model year we are just beginning production now. Until these vehicles equipped with the EcoDiesel engine begin arriving within dealership inventory the Build & Price feature will not be updated to reflect this option. Please keep in mind that not all dealerships will take delivery at the same time, therefore, your preferred Jeep dealership would be able to provide you with the anticipated timing within their inventory specifically.If you have any further product questions about the current Jeep lineup,you are always welcome to reply back to this email and I will respond back to you as promptly as I can. If you prefer, you can also reach us directly with your questions at the Jeep Product Information Center by calling 1-877-426-5337. When you call, we can connect you directly to your local dealership, providing your call is during the dealer's hours off operation.

So, "build and price" really means "Pick out a Jeep that is already built and priced" and sitting on a lot somewhere.

RSD559 wrote:So, "build and price" really means "Pick out a Jeep that is already built and priced" and sitting on a lot somewhere.Must be gun shy and afraid to actually let people build and price it. They haven't even updated their website on the Grand Cherokee. It still says"EcoDiesel now available on the 2014Jeep® Grand Cherokee"

EcoDiesels run EXTREMELY HOT and FAIL while towing over time.Research this. The evidence, particularly regarding this engine in the Grand Cherokee, is out there in droves. A particularly enlightening story was written on the Airstream forums about failure going up 550 in Colorado. He got rid of his EcoDiesel soon after his engine caught fire in the middle of the road.Stay away. FAR away from Fiat.

Here is the post from the Airstream forums that I referenced in my post above:I am regretfully parting with my lifetime favorite vehicle. After over 26K towing miles, our 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland EcoDiesel has hitched to our FC23FB for the last time. I’ve written many posts herein praising the capabilities and comfort of this vehicle, and now must share the unhappy ending. My intent is not to complain or frighten, but simply to inform other 2014 GC EcoDiesel owners.Upon return from our annual migration to our sailboat in Florida, I was unhitching the Airstream when I noticed movement in the receiver hitch. I advanced the 60K maintenance and brought the GC to the dealer. The receiver hitch had completely fractured where it attaches to the chassis on the starboard side. Needless to say, this could have been catastrophic on the recent 2350 mile tow. The dealer replaced the hitch (not under warranty) and completed the full 60K service - all fluids, filters etc. Dealer explanation: “You must have overloaded the hitch”. I disagreed. This is a 7200 lb tow capacity vehicle that has beautifully towed this 5680 lb trailer (wet weight loaded for camping) for over 26K miles over all sorts of terrain in all sorts of weather.Three weeks later, with the GC all serviced, and the Airstream as well (new brakes at 52K miles), we decided to take a short (for us) camping trip to visit Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP. Taking off on a Sunday, we drove Hwy 550 N from Durango. It’s a gorgeous drive which we’ve done with the Airstream four times previously, and many times without the trailer. Traffic was fairly heavy, and we were climbing at about 45 mph in 74ºF ambient. Just 1 mile short of Coal Bank Pass, coolant temp went max, engine power fell off, and the engine went into ‘limp mode’. Fortunately there was a pullout on the opposite side and a break in traffic. I got the rig well off the highway before the engine shut down with a cloud of white smoke from the exhaust. It felt to me like a blown head gasket.Now, 2014 EcoDiesel owners will know that this engine runs hot when climbing under load. This was a concern of many owners, and I’ve seen the coolant temp go high when climbing many passes in CO and WA. Dealers have assured me that there was no problem, and I knew what to expect. This time it was abnormal.A Sunday afternoon during peak tourist season is not a great time to get a tow vehicle in this area. We sat beside 550 for four hours, but fortunately had a comfortable Airstream in which to have lunch and a rest. Telluride Towing finally arrived with a platform truck, loaded the GC, hitched the Airstream and towed us home and dropped the GC at the dealer in Durango.The diagnosis after two weeks in the shop: “DPF got clogged and overheated and took out SCR cat and sensors and DEF injector”. Replaced several sensors that melted, catalytic converter, turbo exhaust outlet seal, DPF exhaust, exhaust gasket, injector dosage module ……Fortunately we were 800 miles short of the 60K warranty expiration, and all was covered, including the $730 tow. I picked up the GC and it is running as sweetly as ever, but it will tow us no more. With the expiring warranty, the hitch failure and this engine failure, prudence dictates a change of tow vehicle. A 2017 RAM Longhorn Limited with the 5.7L HEMI, Crew Cab, 4x4, 8 sp automatic and active air suspension will be delivered next week. Silver, of course. It won’t get the 17.6 overall towing mpg of the GC EcoDiesel, but it should be a fine tow vehicle with greater capacity and reliability. I received Kelly Blue Book trade in for the GC. So, 2014 GC EcoDiesel owners, enjoy your vehicle as we did, but inspect the hitch (not easy, requires removal of rear bumper and fascia) and good luck with the engine.

Sounds like an issue with the DPF and not specific to the engine in question. A plugged cat or DPF with exhibit the same results regardless of engine type or make.

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Perrysburg_Dodg
Explorer
Sep 21, 2017
I said it before you forgot the SH at the beginning of your sig there (SH)itguy08
DakotaDad
Explorer
Sep 21, 2017
itguy08 wrote:

Actually they are tied. That's comparing all of Ford, including some stinkers like the Focus and Fiesta DCT's vs Ram.

So your argument is that Ram and Ford are tied only because some of the stuff Ford builds is ****? And that’s supposed to be convincing?

It’s a good thing you’re in IT. PR wouldn’t be a good fit. :B
itguy08
Explorer
Sep 21, 2017
Bionic Man wrote:
This post is about trucks, do you really want to compare that with the quality ratings? If that is important to you, I hope you remember that RAM has been scoring higher than your beloved Blue Oval.

Actually they are tied. That's comparing all of Ford, including some stinkers like the Focus and Fiesta DCT's vs Ram. Given Ram has been building the same POS for, what 10 years now I'd hope even they figured out how to do it decently by now.

And they are still worse off than GM, who, IIRC scores higher than Ford.

We've lost countess car companies over the years - what makes Chrysler so special? Hint: Nothing.

Sergio has pursued a merger (which could be good for everyone if it was the right partner), but has backed off. VW and Porsche merged a few years back, are they worse off because of it?

Probably because those that are smart know Chrysler brings 0 to the table. Jeep maybe but sales are starting to decline. Same with Ram. Chrysler and Dodge are DOA so what's left? Who would take that nightmare on?

VW and Porsche have always been tied at the hips, back to the 60s.

Stop your bashing. I am sure I am not the only one who has grown weary of it.

The truth hurts huh? Report me if it bothers you so much.
itguy08
Explorer
Sep 21, 2017
Dupe/
Bionic_Man
Explorer
Sep 21, 2017
itguy08 wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

One, the "first bailout" was not done by the Government it was done by the employees! They put up money from their retirement fund to bail out the company not the Government. The only thing the Government did was OK it and guarantee the loan if Chrysler could not repay it. It was paid back early and at 100%! Not one dime of tax payer money was used!

Then why was Iacocca begging for $$ From You and I in the 80's? Chrysler was days away from dying, and the gov't should have said "Buh Bye" then.

Unfortunately for GM and Chrysler they did not have their original family's running their companies anymore.

About the only factual thing in your post. Yes, Ford mortgaged the bank, and the Ford family still controls the company.

As to the QC remarks, I would put our quality up against almost any other car company out there. I can say first hand that FCA is 100% commented to building a quality product and like every other car company out there we do make some mistakes. The problem is when you are only selling half the vehicles that some others are selling it doesn't take much to skew your numbers.

Of course you would - they pay you every week. Every single place that rates quality and long term dependability has FCA vehicles at or near the bottom. Now either they are all out to get you or there's something to it. I go for the latter. Ford and GM have had some bad years and the ratings show it. FCA, as a whole has been scraping the bottom for, what 20 years now?

Chrysler has always made garbage and probably always will until they (finally) go out of business.

Ask yourself this - if Chrysler was so great and FCA was in such awesome financial shape, why would Sergio be selling off bits of the company and begging for consolidation. GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, VW, Subaru, etc don't have the same outlook. Nor do they need it.

Good lord, give it a rest. We have gone over this before. This post is about trucks, do you really want to compare that with the quality ratings? If that is important to you, I hope you remember that RAM has been scoring higher than your beloved Blue Oval.

As far as spinning off bits of the company, many of the manufactures have done that. Ford sold Jag and Land Rover. GM sold off Saab.

Sergio has pursued a merger (which could be good for everyone if it was the right partner), but has backed off. VW and Porsche merged a few years back, are they worse off because of it?

Stop your bashing. I am sure I am not the only one who has grown weary of it.
itguy08
Explorer
Sep 21, 2017
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

One, the "first bailout" was not done by the Government it was done by the employees! They put up money from their retirement fund to bail out the company not the Government. The only thing the Government did was OK it and guarantee the loan if Chrysler could not repay it. It was paid back early and at 100%! Not one dime of tax payer money was used!

Then why was Iacocca begging for $$ From You and I in the 80's? Chrysler was days away from dying, and the gov't should have said "Buh Bye" then.

Unfortunately for GM and Chrysler they did not have their original family's running their companies anymore.

About the only factual thing in your post. Yes, Ford mortgaged the bank, and the Ford family still controls the company.

As to the QC remarks, I would put our quality up against almost any other car company out there. I can say first hand that FCA is 100% commented to building a quality product and like every other car company out there we do make some mistakes. The problem is when you are only selling half the vehicles that some others are selling it doesn't take much to skew your numbers.

Of course you would - they pay you every week. Every single place that rates quality and long term dependability has FCA vehicles at or near the bottom. Now either they are all out to get you or there's something to it. I go for the latter. Ford and GM have had some bad years and the ratings show it. FCA, as a whole has been scraping the bottom for, what 20 years now?

Chrysler has always made garbage and probably always will until they (finally) go out of business.

Ask yourself this - if Chrysler was so great and FCA was in such awesome financial shape, why would Sergio be selling off bits of the company and begging for consolidation. GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, VW, Subaru, etc don't have the same outlook. Nor do they need it.
STANG23L
Explorer
Sep 20, 2017
ggoat!!! wrote:
EcoDiesels run EXTREMELY HOT and FAIL while towing over time.

Research this. The evidence, particularly regarding this engine in the Grand Cherokee, is out there in droves.

A particularly enlightening story was written on the Airstream forums about failure going up 550 in Colorado. He got rid of his EcoDiesel soon after his engine caught fire in the middle of the road.

Stay away. FAR away from Fiat.

The Eco is a very good motor and failures are quite rare. So don't let comments like this scare you away.

I am one of three ED owners in my town, all 14's and none of us has had a lick of problems. We all tow heavy sometimes beyond capacity. But this motor takes it like a champ. I would not hesitate to hook onto the camper and make another 4K mile run to Idaho tomorrow!
mich800
Explorer
Sep 19, 2017
Grit dog wrote:
^Why I can't leave this forum......like "Days of our Lives" for men!
One train wreck after another.....

Tell me about it. I'm just trying to figure out if I'm the guy with the eye patch or not. :B
Grit_dog
Navigator
Sep 19, 2017
^Why I can't leave this forum......like "Days of our Lives" for men!
One train wreck after another.....
mich800
Explorer
Sep 19, 2017
blofgren wrote:

You go right ahead and spin it any way you see fit.....:S

I am not trying to spin anything. Just trying to figure out what you are trying to convey. You are trying to compare a 2003 to 2013 or not. You are the one attempting to make is some big Ford vs Ram conspiracy.

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