EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks

[thomas201]

So much wheel spinning on EVs, what if they are not the right path forward? The biggest problem with renewable power and EVs is storage, the second is storage, and the third is storage. Another path is carbon capture from the atmosphere (using amine scrubbing like nuclear subs and carbon dioxide from natural gas) then splitting hydrogen from water, followed by building whatever hydrocarbon you need.

The US Navy is hard at work on this project, since it avoids storage of large amounts of jet fuel, and the difficult job of resupply of jet fuel at sea to the carriers. After all fire kills ships. The Fords were built with a very large excess electric generation capacity for this reason and many others.

Porsche now has a pilot project running in South America, Porsche syn fuel

This will work wherever you have cheap electricity and water. The products are put right into refinery feeds. No need to rebuild the approximately 1.5 Billion cars in the world. Solves storage, no worry about hydrogen embrittlement, recycles carbon dioxide, we use the existing liquid fuel distribution system. Transparent to the car/truck owner.

[map40]

Benny37 wrote:

map40 wrote:
Tesla was never known by their quality.

Any one I ever looked at close, no matter the model,3, X, S, doesn't matter, had the worst job of body panel alignment I've ever seen. They need to go to a good body shop for a going over before they ever hit the road. The body panels were aligned better on 1970's Ford Mavericks and Pintos.

Agreed. Their fit and finish was awful at the beginning and it is barely acceptable now. Systems besides the electric powertrain have a track record 3 times less reliable than the industry average, and the repairs are very difficult unless in a Tesla dealership and even then they are incredible slow.
But I have a particular point of view, quite simple. If so many people are buying them, there must be something good about them. And there is; they are incredible cars. Otherwise, why would people buy so many of them?
Now that the rest of the industry is catching up they are going to be more pressed to improve (right now is the first time in which they are not behind in orders), but when you had 99% of the market 10 years ago you can only loose market share.
For the purpose of this thread, we already made the point that EVs are good for some applications. Some people can successfully use them to tow light trailers, but when you get to heavy trailers (5000# or more) the current technology is not too convenient.

[Lantley]

Benny37 wrote:

map40 wrote:
Tesla was never known by their quality.

Any one I ever looked at close, no matter the model,3, X, S, doesn't matter, had the worst job of body panel alignment I've ever seen. They need to go to a good body shop for a going over before they ever hit the road. The body panels were aligned better on 1970's Ford Mavericks and Pintos.

Really! Tesla is building an innovative looking car to compete with a Maserati! I can't imagine much effort was put in making sure TEsla had the cleanest lines in the industry. Tesla had much bigger challenges than body panel alignment.
Their innovation is certainly not about the body panels.
Their innovation transformed EV's from economy minded commuter boxes that the mainstream manufactures were struggling to build.
To a totally new concept that delivered enough performance and viability that it threatens to eliminate ICE cars in the future.
AS I keep saying you need to drive a Tesla to understand that the EV revolution is all about. Debating/chastising body panel alignment totally misses the boat!

[fj12ryder]

stsmark wrote:

RambleOnNW wrote:

stsmark wrote:
Respectfully, the Greeks built the Parthenon.

Thanks, my bad. Meant Pantheon. All the more amazing since it has a concrete dome. With no reinforcing steel.

Agreed, there’s multiple engineering feats we can’t match today.

Uh, no not really.

[Benny37]

map40 wrote:
Tesla was never known by their quality.

Any one I ever looked at close, no matter the model,3, X, S, doesn't matter, had the worst job of body panel alignment I've ever seen. They need to go to a good body shop for a going over before they ever hit the road. The body panels were aligned better on 1970's Ford Mavericks and Pintos.

[map40]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Cr@p, now my Cheetos are going to be late!! What is going on here? Been out a month and they are already breaking down.

Tusk wrote:
Musk said that the drivetrain is guaranteed to last 1 million miles and it happens to share many components with Tesla’s passenger vehicles.

Well hell. That didn't age well!!

It looks like the Tesla Semi is going to be the new Windows ME. Or perhaps the the Iphone 5C?

Oops, this is a towing forum so I will say maybe the Tesla Semi will be the newer 5.7 Olds diesel or the Ford 6.0 diesel? :B

Now come on fan bois start with the "it's a new product and there are bound to be problems." Go on.....lets hear the Tesla fans!!!

It is a new product, but Tesla was never known by their quality. Or said a different way, their quality is sub-par at best, statistically speaking.
That said, there is no need to troll...

[propchef]

Right, because everyone knows diesel semis don't break down. Ever

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

Cr@p, now my Cheetos are going to be late!! What is going on here? Been out a month and they are already breaking down.

Tusk wrote:
Musk said that the drivetrain is guaranteed to last 1 million miles and it happens to share many components with Tesla’s passenger vehicles.

Well hell. That didn't age well!!

It looks like the Tesla Semi is going to be the new Windows ME. Or perhaps the the Iphone 5C?

Oops, this is a towing forum so I will say maybe the Tesla Semi will be the newer 5.7 Olds diesel or the Ford 6.0 diesel? :B

Now come on fan bois start with the "it's a new product and there are bound to be problems." Go on.....lets hear the Tesla fans!!!

[stsmark]

RambleOnNW wrote:

stsmark wrote:
Respectfully, the Greeks built the Parthenon.

Thanks, my bad. Meant Pantheon. All the more amazing since it has a concrete dome. With no reinforcing steel.

Agreed, there’s multiple engineering feats we can’t match today.

[free_radical]

Huntindog wrote:

blt2ski wrote:

Latner wrote:

wnjj wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:
LOL,thanks but I can't afford to live in the PNW! Interesting and sad that you think you are able guess my politics by my posts about climate change. Maybe ask yourself why one of our political parties became anti-science.:h

Perhaps because science is so institutionalized that it has become $cience and some people recognize that. Imagine a scientist having a differing opinion about something without consequences. Also, “science” has been completely wrong plenty of times.

I can remember back in the 70's being told we need to get ready for the next "ice age" :R

I prefer to look at science as an ever evolving changing learning experience.

When I was in college early 80's, there was only a plant and animal kingdom. Went to my youngest daughters science teacher student eval around 2005. Daughter mentioned 5 kingdoms....I did a double take. She mentioned the new three. Realized the three new ones, my teacher had mentioned splitting these groups out as more was known about them.
Same thing happened 5-8 years later, she was literally taking the same Art color class, same college, different teacher. Their is now 99 shades of gray between black and white. Only 9 when I took the class. Reality with computers, I'm sure there are more shades of gray.
Things change as we learn about things. It will depend upon many things as to how long it will take to make things work.
Hydrogen pipes as noted is one item that needs fixing before using this fuel becomes a reality. How long will this take.
US being a supplier of lithium for batteries. YES largest mine in worl "will be" in Nevada. No permits have been give out yet!
As many have also noted, they have learned some things via this post. Let's continue to do so.

Marty

No permits = no mine.
I am not at at all convinced that mine will happen.
One thing the enviromental faction has taught, is that all you gotta do is tie a project up in the permitting, enviromental reviews and then in the courts. Most projects never get off the ground anymore. Think about some of the big projects such as Hoover dam. It would never happen today.

I guess it takes authoritarian Gov to get things done :B

https://youtu.be/FnpzdBoI6wA

[RambleOnNW]

blt2ski wrote:


I prefer to look at science as an ever evolving changing learning experience.

Some science is settled and scientists no longer find a controversy. For example Einstein received the Nobel prize in Physics in 1921 for discovering and explaining the photoelectric effect. Today we have billions of solar panels utilizing that photoelectric effect. Sure there is incremental engineering refinement however the basic science stands.

[RambleOnNW]

stsmark wrote:
Respectfully, the Greeks built the Parthenon.

Thanks, my bad. Meant Pantheon. All the more amazing since it has a concrete dome. With no reinforcing steel.

[stsmark]

Respectfully, the Greeks built the Parthenon.

[Huntindog]

blt2ski wrote:

Latner wrote:

wnjj wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:
LOL,thanks but I can't afford to live in the PNW! Interesting and sad that you think you are able guess my politics by my posts about climate change. Maybe ask yourself why one of our political parties became anti-science.:h

Perhaps because science is so institutionalized that it has become $cience and some people recognize that. Imagine a scientist having a differing opinion about something without consequences. Also, “science” has been completely wrong plenty of times.

I can remember back in the 70's being told we need to get ready for the next "ice age" :R

I prefer to look at science as an ever evolving changing learning experience.

When I was in college early 80's, there was only a plant and animal kingdom. Went to my youngest daughters science teacher student eval around 2005. Daughter mentioned 5 kingdoms....I did a double take. She mentioned the new three. Realized the three new ones, my teacher had mentioned splitting these groups out as more was known about them.
Same thing happened 5-8 years later, she was literally taking the same Art color class, same college, different teacher. Their is now 99 shades of gray between black and white. Only 9 when I took the class. Reality with computers, I'm sure there are more shades of gray.
Things change as we learn about things. It will depend upon many things as to how long it will take to make things work.
Hydrogen pipes as noted is one item that needs fixing before using this fuel becomes a reality. How long will this take.
US being a supplier of lithium for batteries. YES largest mine in worl "will be" in Nevada. No permits have been give out yet!
As many have also noted, they have learned some things via this post. Let's continue to do so.

Marty

No permits = no mine.
I am not at at all convinced that mine will happen.
One thing the enviromental faction has taught, is that all you gotta do is tie a project up in the permitting, enviromental reviews and then in the courts. Most projects never get off the ground anymore. Think about some of the big projects such as Hoover dam. It would never happen today.

[RambleOnNW]

Latner wrote:

RambleOnNW wrote:
An Exxon study done in 1982 focused on global warming by Increasing greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. Remarkably, thirty-seven years ago Exxon accurately predicted that by 2019, the earth would hit a carbon dioxide concentration of 415 ppm and a temperature increase of almost 1°C (Figure 1).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianpalmer/2023/01/17/a-fresh-reading-of-exxons-predictions-of-global-wa...

and yet Exxon just completed a $2B expansion to an oil refinery in Texas after being told by our leaders to increase production, even though said leaders want to shut down their industry. :h

Exxon did nothing for 40 years to solve the problem they knew they were helping to create. Instead they chose to finance obfuscation. Still, even today, they are doing little. It’s on them, their supporters, and the denialists they created for the planetary destruction in progress they have helped create. Hope you enjoyed last summer, it will be the coolest summer for the rest of your life. Over and out.

[RambleOnNW]

blt2ski wrote:

As many have also noted, they have learned some things via this post. Let's continue to do so.

Marty

That’s a right on…
If one wants to learn a lot of interesting stuff, subscribe to Scientific American.

There I recently read about one thing that was in the back of my mind, why are nearly 2000 year old Roman concrete structures like the Pantheon and aqueducts still so intact? Modern concrete doesn’t last very long in comparison. Turns out they had a advantage over modern concrete since they used quicklime. What looked like a mixing mistake that formed clasts in the concrete actually formed a mechanism for self-healing of cracks in the concrete.

Perhaps there is a way to make modern roads much longer lived…

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-roman-concrete-has-self-healing-capabilities/