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F150 3.15 axle 10 speed equals 3.55 axle 6 speed

atwowheelguy
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With my '13 F150 3.5 EB 3.55 having just surpassed 100k miles, I started glancing at what's available these days. It is my only caged vehicle, I haul grandchildren, I occasionally need to squeeze it into a parking deck, and I tow a toy hauler that at various times weighs 6600-7200 lbs. Therefore the 3.5 EB Supercrew 5.5 ft. bed 145" wheelbase configuration is the one that best fits my needs.

I notice that for '17, only two axle ratios are available for that configuration with the 3.5 EB, the 3.15 and the 3.55. In '13 it was available with four axle ratios: 3.15, 3.31, 3.55 and 3.73. I ended up with a 3.55. The spread from 1st to 6th on the six speed is 604%. The spread from 1st to 10th on the ten speed is 744%.

I also note that the GCWR for my '13 3.55 six speed is 15,300 with a max trailer of 9,800, whereas the GCWR for the '17 3.15 ten speed is 15,800 with a max trailer of 10,700. The advantage is the 10 speed transmission in the '17, plus the '17 has a little more power. They have almost the exact same first gear final drive ratio.

My current wet and loaded camper weighs 6,640 (68% of 9,800 max trailer) which results in a GCW of 12,500 (82% of the GCWR) and the '13 tows it with no sweat. It's at 94% of GVWR, having used up 71% of its payload. I'll be looking at the 3.15 axle with the 10 speed for the next one to tow as well as the 3.55 six speed and get a little better highway mileage when not towing (19% fewer revs per mile in high gear). I give the Ford engineers an "attaboy" for this one.








2013 F150 XLT SCrew 5.5' 3.5 EB, 3.55, 2WD, 1607# Payload, EAZ Lift WDH
Toy Hauler: 2010 Fun Finder XT-245, 5025# new, 6640-7180# loaded, 900# TW, Voyager wireless rear view camera
Toys: '66 Super Hawk, XR400R, SV650, XR650R, DL650 V-Strom, 525EXC, 500EXC
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time2roll
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ShinerBock wrote:
OP, nice data.

I only hope that it gets through to some of these hard headed old timers that are stuck in their "shortest gear is needed" ways of thinking.
Don't just compare low gear.

Looking at about 4:1 for actual cruising you lose the top two gears with the 6 speed and the top 4 gears with the 10 speed. If you pay for a 10 speed but can only use 6 when towing I just don't see the point. Put 4.10/4.30 in there so I can use 8 of the 10. Who needs 4 OD gears for fuel economy? Yes EB run at lower RPM but still.

JMHO

ShinerBock
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OP, nice data.

I only hope that it gets through to some of these hard headed old timers that are stuck in their "shortest gear is needed" ways of thinking.

In the old days, you didn't have as many transmission gears as there are today and their ratios were spread far apart so you needed shorter rear end gear ratios to compensate. When you have more transmission gears, then that allows you to have the gear ratio spread closer together and you can have much shorter ratios in the first few gears for off the line performance.

This is where I believe a lot people did not understand the fuel economy benefits of the 3.5L Ecoboost when it came out. Most had the "shortest gear is needed" mentality even though a taller geared 3.5L EB with a 3.55 rear ratio had greater capabilities than the 5.0L with 3.73 gears. Instead of getting the 3.55 gears and saving fuel while still having the same capabilities, they got the 3.73 gears increasing the trucks capabilities past what whey needed with not much fuel savings. This is why I usually told most of the people that complained about fuel economy with the 3.5 EB that they only had their hard headed self to blame for buying more capabilities than they needed.
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time2roll
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atwowheelguy wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
A 10sp EcoB with 4.10s would haul the mail!
It does, but only in the Raptor. The off road suspension package in the Raptor only has a 1200 lb. payload, which is not sufficient to tow my camper.
I assume aftermarket gears would cost less than the Raptor option.

atwowheelguy
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blackgrizz550 wrote:
My 2017 EB has a 3:31 rear end.


Must be a 4x4. The 3.5 EB with the 3.31 is only available with the 4x4. The 3.31 ten speed has the same first gear ratio as the old 3.73 six speed. Of course, the ten speed is only available with the 3.5 EB in 2017. I prefer the 4x2 Supercrew which is not available with the 3.31. It is offered with only the 3.15 and the 3.55.
2013 F150 XLT SCrew 5.5' 3.5 EB, 3.55, 2WD, 1607# Payload, EAZ Lift WDH
Toy Hauler: 2010 Fun Finder XT-245, 5025# new, 6640-7180# loaded, 900# TW, Voyager wireless rear view camera
Toys: '66 Super Hawk, XR400R, SV650, XR650R, DL650 V-Strom, 525EXC, 500EXC

atwowheelguy
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Grit dog wrote:
A 10sp EcoB with 4.10s would haul the mail!


It does, but only in the Raptor. The off road suspension package in the Raptor only has a 1200 lb. payload, which is not sufficient to tow my camper.
2013 F150 XLT SCrew 5.5' 3.5 EB, 3.55, 2WD, 1607# Payload, EAZ Lift WDH
Toy Hauler: 2010 Fun Finder XT-245, 5025# new, 6640-7180# loaded, 900# TW, Voyager wireless rear view camera
Toys: '66 Super Hawk, XR400R, SV650, XR650R, DL650 V-Strom, 525EXC, 500EXC

We_ll_See
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Note that a 2017 will be considerably lighter than your 2013, even using the same configuration.
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TurnThePage
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I'm interested in more real time reviews of that 10 speed transmission. Everything I've read/heard so far doesn't make it sound all that awesome. Maybe just some fine tune programming...
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fireman41
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rjstractor wrote:
Good analysis, you "get it" when it comes to axle gearing, transmission gearing and engine characteristics and how they relate. Many guys get fixated on the rear axle only and ignore the fact that it's only part of the equation. They probably don't realize that many of the OTR trucks on the highway have rear axle ratios in the 2.70-3.00 range and those work because of lots of transmission ratios being available as well as flat power curves.


Used to drive around with a truck that had 2.94 rears with a 10 speed direct drive transmission.

danrclem
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I'd say just by looking at the charts if you're satisfied with your 2013 with 3:55 gears and you don't expect to get a heavier camper then I'd say you'd be tickled pink with the 2017 with 3:15 gears. I am leery about buying new technology though. I like to wait awhile to see if it pans out.

goducks10
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joshuajim wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
A 10sp EcoB with 4.10s would haul the mail!


Since almost all mail goes by air these days, that's irrelevant :B


Maybe he meant to the airport. ๐Ÿ™‚

joshuajim
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Grit dog wrote:
A 10sp EcoB with 4.10s would haul the mail!


Since almost all mail goes by air these days, that's irrelevant :B
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Hybridhunter
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All this well laid out thinking and two of the 3 replies are total knuckle draggers. Ugh.

blackgrizz550
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My 2017 EB has a 3:31 rear end.

Grit_dog
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A 10sp EcoB with 4.10s would haul the mail!
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atwowheelguy
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time2roll wrote:
I would still take a 4.10/4.30 any day of the week.


4.10 is only available in a F150 in the Raptor.
2013 F150 XLT SCrew 5.5' 3.5 EB, 3.55, 2WD, 1607# Payload, EAZ Lift WDH
Toy Hauler: 2010 Fun Finder XT-245, 5025# new, 6640-7180# loaded, 900# TW, Voyager wireless rear view camera
Toys: '66 Super Hawk, XR400R, SV650, XR650R, DL650 V-Strom, 525EXC, 500EXC