F150 heavy duty payload

[meesda]

Just spote the first 2016 HD payload on internet. Straight cab 8 feet bed. Does anyone have any info if crew cab HD will be available in 2016?

http://www.hannafords.ca/new-inventory/index.htm?trim=REGULAR+CAB+XLT+*HEAVY+DUTY+PAYLOAD*+4X4+5.0L+V8&&&&model=F-150&

[carringb]

The rear axle is set back so far on the F150 long bed, that it really can hold full payload in ther bed and maintain good weight bias usually.

My last work truck was also an F150 long bed, and was sometimes used to transport thousands of pounds of structural steel. WAY over GVWR sometimes. But almost every one in the fleet gets used like that and none have had problem.

[Hannibal]

I wish we had a "Like" button Grit dog. We've got several construction jobs going on out on Clearwater Beach now and the F150 is still the most abused work mule of them all and they just keep on taking it ready for more.

[Grit_dog]

Do any of you weight cops think that maybe, just for a minute, Ford (or insert your favorite brand here) has enough safety factor built into the truck that they don't care where you put the payload?
We are getting back to the "1/2 tons can only haul a sack of groceries" argument.
Idk if the new style 150s went back to smaller axles for the HD package, but I've had a coup,e of the 7 luggers over the years that got loaded up like typical construction vehicles. Put overloads on them to keep the back end off the ground. Beat em like a rented mule and never seen any rear axle/spring failures.

[Hannibal]

brulaz wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

brulaz wrote:
And a rear GAWR of 4800#, just like the 2011-2015 HD Payloads.
Guess those 6 lug HD wheels and LT-C tires can handle it.

It also has the Ford's new trailer backup knobby "PRO TRAILER BACKUP ASSIST".

But not much of a discount yet. Maybe later in the summer just before the 2017s appear. Hanna Motors can get pretty aggressive in its pricing.

Do the new HD F150's not still use a 10.5" rear with 7 lug wheels?

There are both 18" alloy HD wheels and 17" steel HD wheels. I think both are just 6 lug in 2015-16.

The ring gear is referred to as "9.75HD" in the 2015 Source Book with 3.73 axle ratio. The HD may just imply a greater lubricant capacity of 5.5-5.65 pts. As apparently there is also a non-HD 9.75" rear end with only 4-4.15 pint capacity used somewhere in the line-up.

Think the 2011-2015 HD Payload trucks also had a 9.75" ring gear. But the wheels were 7 lug.

Thanks for that info! I'll stop counting lugs when I see an F150 in hopes of spotting a HD payload F150.

[JIMNLIN]

I don't think I follow. You are saying you can't put 2,900 lbs in a truck with a yellow sticker that says 2,900 lbs?

Thats not what I said.
I said the 29xx lbs in the bed will overload the 4800 RAWR. Many folks think a GVWR based payload number on a sticker can all be put in the bed of a F150 5.4 4x4 reg cab long bed truck in question.
I have no idea where the 2944 lb payload number thrown around comes from.
Ford body service specs list a 2016 reg cab F150 HD 5.0 4x4 LB 7850 GVWR 4800 RAWR with a 3040 lb payload. They list the truck with a 1872 rear axle weight.
Simple math shows 1872 + 3040 payload = 4912 lb for a over load.

The same truck in the 2wd truck with the 3270 lb payload and a 1847 rear axle weight = 5117 lb for another over load when all the weight is placed in the bed.

A newby would be well advised to run some actual scaled rear axle numbers first before dropping much over 2400-2500 lbs in the bed of any F150 truck.

[brulaz]

Hannibal wrote:

brulaz wrote:
And a rear GAWR of 4800#, just like the 2011-2015 HD Payloads.
Guess those 6 lug HD wheels and LT-C tires can handle it.

It also has the Ford's new trailer backup knobby "PRO TRAILER BACKUP ASSIST".

But not much of a discount yet. Maybe later in the summer just before the 2017s appear. Hanna Motors can get pretty aggressive in its pricing.

Do the new HD F150's not still use a 10.5" rear with 7 lug wheels?

There are both 18" alloy HD wheels and 17" steel HD wheels. I think both are just 6 lug in 2015-16.

The ring gear is referred to as "9.75HD" in the 2015 Source Book with 3.73 axle ratio. The HD may just imply a greater lubricant capacity of 5.5-5.65 pts. As apparently there is also a non-HD 9.75" rear end with only 4-4.15 pint capacity used somewhere in the line-up.

Think the 2011-2015 HD Payload trucks also had a 9.75" ring gear. But the wheels were 7 lug.

[Hannibal]

brulaz wrote:
And a rear GAWR of 4800#, just like the 2011-2015 HD Payloads.
Guess those 6 lug HD wheels and LT-C tires can handle it.

It also has the Ford's new trailer backup knobby "PRO TRAILER BACKUP ASSIST".

But not much of a discount yet. Maybe later in the summer just before the 2017s appear. Hanna Motors can get pretty aggressive in its pricing.

Do the new HD F150's not still use a 10.5" rear with 7 lug wheels?

[brulaz]

JIMNLIN wrote:

brulaz wrote:
And a rear GAWR of 4800#, just like the 2011-2015 HD Payloads.
Guess those 6 lug HD wheels and LT-C tires can handle it.

It also has the Ford's new trailer backup knobby "PRO TRAILER BACKUP ASSIST".

But not much of a discount yet. Maybe later in the summer just before the 2017s appear. Hanna Motors can get pretty aggressive in its pricing.

Good point on the small 4800 RAWR carrying a 2900 lb payload. That means the truck rear axle has to weigh just 1900 lbs.

Close. The base rear axle curb weight for this configuration is 1868#. And it's max payload is 3060#.

Another point is There is no F150 that can handle a 2900 lb payload in the bed. Doing so will overload the trucks 4800 RAWR/rear suspension/wheels.

The F150 4800 RAWR can carry up to around 2400-2500 in the bed over the rear axle.

This is all in Ford's 2015 source book.

This particular truck has a payload only 116# less than the Max 3060# possible. Say half of that excess option weight falls on the rear axle: 58#
So the actual rear axle curb weight would be 1868+58=1926#

That leaves 4800-1926=2874# available on the rear axle.
Not too shabby for a "half-ton". But really, even 2400-2500# is not too shabby.

[Fordlover]

lbrjet wrote:

brulaz wrote:

lbrjet wrote:

brulaz wrote:

Atlee wrote:
My 2014 F150 XLT Supercab 4x4 with Ecoboost and MaxTow and the HD package has a payload of 2,286#.

The longer length and 4x4 takes a toll on the cargo capacity.

And you don't have the Al body.

GVWR lowered to 7800 on Al body trucks.

True, but that's only a 400# reduction in GVWR from the old 8200#.
And they're claiming a 700# weight reduction with the Al body, for SCrew trucks anyway. So maybe a 300# payload improvement for SCrew in 2015 and above?

700 lbs is the best case scenario, kind of like the brochure payload which never happens. Probably on the 8 foot regular cab. I'm sure most trucks aren't seeing a 700 lb reduction. Everyone expected higher Ford payloads with the lighter trucks, but the lowering of the GVWR's pretty much took care of that. I would guess maybe a hundred higher on average.

Man, talk about a jaded group on here. Many probably won't believe this photo either, but I'll post it anyway.

The reality is the truck that saw the most benefit from aluminum also happens to be the most popular, the crew cab..



I crunched the numbers for everyone between this 2014 steel and 2015 aluminum body, 732 lbs. less.

[Fordlover]

JIMNLIN wrote:

brulaz wrote:
And a rear GAWR of 4800#, just like the 2011-2015 HD Payloads.
Guess those 6 lug HD wheels and LT-C tires can handle it.

It also has the Ford's new trailer backup knobby "PRO TRAILER BACKUP ASSIST".

But not much of a discount yet. Maybe later in the summer just before the 2017s appear. Hanna Motors can get pretty aggressive in its pricing.

Good point on the small 4800 RAWR carrying a 2900 lb payload. That means the truck rear axle has to weigh just 1900 lbs.

Another point is There is no F150 that can handle a 2900 lb payload in the bed. Doing so will overload the trucks 4800 RAWR/rear suspension/wheels.

The F150 4800 RAWR can carry up to around 2400-2500 in the bed over the rear axle.

I don't think I follow. You are saying you can't put 2,900 lbs in a truck with a yellow sticker that says 2,900 lbs?

It's reasonable to expect a 2015 up regular cab F-150 long bed to have very little weight on the rear axle. A fully loaded crew cab lariat 4x4 tips the scales at 4700-4900 lbs, assuming a 60/40 weight distribution, you get 1900 lbs. at rear and 2900 on the front. Some smaller trucks can be closer to 65/35 weight distribution I believe. So seems to me 2900 lbs. capacity is possible, but only on the lightest of the HD F-150's.

[lbrjet]

brulaz wrote:

lbrjet wrote:

brulaz wrote:

Atlee wrote:
My 2014 F150 XLT Supercab 4x4 with Ecoboost and MaxTow and the HD package has a payload of 2,286#.

The longer length and 4x4 takes a toll on the cargo capacity.

And you don't have the Al body.

GVWR lowered to 7800 on Al body trucks.

True, but that's only a 400# reduction in GVWR from the old 8200#.
And they're claiming a 700# weight reduction with the Al body, for SCrew trucks anyway. So maybe a 300# payload improvement for SCrew in 2015 and above?

700 lbs is the best case scenario, kind of like the brochure payload which never happens. Probably on the 8 foot regular cab. I'm sure most trucks aren't seeing a 700 lb reduction. Everyone expected higher Ford payloads with the lighter trucks, but the lowering of the GVWR's pretty much took care of that. I would guess maybe a hundred higher on average.

[Fordlover]

CWSWine wrote:

meesda wrote:
Just spote the first 2016 HD payload on internet. Straight cab 8 feet bed. Does anyone have any info if crew cab HD will be available in 2016?

http://www.hannafords.ca/new-inventory/index.htm?trim=REGULAR+CAB+XLT+*HEAVY+DUTY+PAYLOAD*+4X4+5.0L+V8&&&&model=F-150&

You know under "Tech Spec" it only has Payload: 771kg (1,700lbs) - There is lot low option F150 without HD Payload higher then 1,700 lbs.

That's just the 'stock' page. It also lists the tires as 265/70SR17, when the truck really has LT275 18inch. Best to refer to the photos.

[JIMNLIN]

brulaz wrote:
And a rear GAWR of 4800#, just like the 2011-2015 HD Payloads.
Guess those 6 lug HD wheels and LT-C tires can handle it.

It also has the Ford's new trailer backup knobby "PRO TRAILER BACKUP ASSIST".

But not much of a discount yet. Maybe later in the summer just before the 2017s appear. Hanna Motors can get pretty aggressive in its pricing.

Good point on the small 4800 RAWR carrying a 2900 lb payload. That means the truck rear axle has to weigh just 1900 lbs.

Another point is There is no F150 that can handle a 2900 lb payload in the bed. Doing so will overload the trucks 4800 RAWR/rear suspension/wheels.

The F150 4800 RAWR can carry up to around 2400-2500 in the bed over the rear axle.

[brulaz]

lbrjet wrote:

brulaz wrote:

Atlee wrote:
My 2014 F150 XLT Supercab 4x4 with Ecoboost and MaxTow and the HD package has a payload of 2,286#.

The longer length and 4x4 takes a toll on the cargo capacity.

And you don't have the Al body.

GVWR lowered to 7800 on Al body trucks.

True, but that's only a 400# reduction in GVWR from the old 8200#.
And they're claiming a 700# weight reduction with the Al body, for SCrew trucks anyway. So maybe a 300# payload improvement for SCrew in 2015 and above?

[lbrjet]

brulaz wrote:

Atlee wrote:
My 2014 F150 XLT Supercab 4x4 with Ecoboost and MaxTow and the HD package has a payload of 2,286#.

The longer length and 4x4 takes a toll on the cargo capacity.

And you don't have the Al body.

GVWR lowered to 7800 on Al body trucks.