Ford finally releases specs for F-150 3.0L diesel

[ShinerBock]

Power - 250 hp at 3,250 RPM and 440 lb-ft at 1,750 RPM

Max Towing - 11,400 lbs


Still underpowered to me(your towing preferences may be different) for the size of truck it is going in and an 11k tow rating, but I am sure there will be a market for it like the Ecodiesel. By the towing specs, it seems to be offered in the HD F150 which is something Ram needs for the Ecodiesel and its dismal payload.


TFL Truck: FORD RELEASES POWER, TORQUE, TOWING SPECS FOR 3.0L POWERSTROKE DIESEL

[ShinerBock]

Allamakee1 wrote:

Tell me where I ever stated that the 3.0 will outsell anything? I stated around me, I visually observe less ecoboost trucks, but even admitted I didn't know the numbers. I wouldn't claim that for the diesel because it is not cost effective for all when figuring in the national average for mileage and the 50% of people under that average. Although, that is with your fuel prices, which I implore people to look at the actual prices and trends from the whole year and not just 2 favorable (for your figures) months out of the last 12 months.

Well you keep trying to say I am wrong when I say that most people will opt for the Ecoboost based on market trends and the low cost difference with no other benefit so why would you say that is wrong if you don't think otherwise? Although, I used the current NATIONAL average in my last analysis, not the prices in my area. Even using the average national price on the best prices in favor of the diesel, it will still not come out to a big enough difference in savings to make the average half ton truck buyer switch.

Allamakee1 wrote:
Also, since you're on this power trip, why does GM sell more 5.3s than 6.2s?

Because the 6.2L is only offered in higher priced trims and requires premium fuel making the cost difference very high.

Allamakee1 wrote:
Why does FORD in YOUR quote state they expect the 2.7 to outsell the 3.5, if power is everything?

Don't know and it doesn't really hold any relevance to what we are talking about. Car makes say they expect to sell a certain amount of things all the time and many times it doesn't come true with it being over or under expectations.

Allamakee1 wrote:
Oh, that's right it's an individual decision for everyone. Like I've been saying for 25 pages now.

And I have been saying that most(as in the vast majority) half ton truck buyers will not want to sacrifice that much power for very little gain. This is backed up buy years and years of truck buyers opting for the higher powered/less fuel efficient engine options over the base less powerful more fuel efficient option so I am not sure how it is so hard to understand. There will be a small percentage of non-fleet consumers that are wiling to sacrifice performance for cost savings, but that will not be the norm.

[Allamakee1]

ShinerBock wrote:

Allamakee1 wrote:
Don.... Let him go. I've wasted enough of my time explaining things. Let everyone else make up their own minds with the real facts that they should be researching themselves and not just taking other people's words for it.

I don't think you explained things too well and have not come up with a valid reason why these small diesels will outsell the more powerful gas engines. I think the fact that most Ram 1500 customers are buying the 5.7L over the Ecodiesel is proof that MOST half ton truck buyers are willing to pay more in fuel for more power. Some like yourself and Don may be willing to sacrifice over 155hp for added fuel savings, but most won't if the difference remains below $50 a month for them. Those are facts based on current consumer purchases.

Tell me where I ever stated that the 3.0 will outsell anything? I stated around me, I visually observe less ecoboost trucks, but even admitted I didn't know the numbers. I wouldn't claim that for the diesel because it is not cost effective for all when figuring in the national average for mileage and the 50% of people under that average. Although, that is with your fuel prices, which I implore people to look at the actual prices and trends from the whole year and not just 2 favorable (for your figures) months out of the last 12 months.

Also, since you're on this power trip, why does GM sell more 5.3s than 6.2s? Why does FORD in YOUR quote state they expect the 2.7 to outsell the 3.5, if power is everything? Oh, that's right it's an individual decision for everyone. Like I've been saying for 25 pages now.

Aaaaaahhhh, I'm falling into his trap again, but I'm at work, so I don't mind wasting my time here as much.

[Samsonsworld]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
we have a guy over @ ram1500diesel.com that has a 2014 EcoD and tows RV's for a living. He has almost 350K on the clock here is the list of major repairs in the first 250K miles, Light switch, tail light bulb, alignment 196,000, Lift pump - $158 part 230,000 replaced chalky serpentine belt 250,000. So these little diesels are nothing to turn your nose up at.

There is also a 141 page thread at ram1500diesel . com called Eco diesel engine failures. 141 is a lot of pages. And I think you forgot to list the recalls.

Nose up.

[ShinerBock]

hone eagle wrote:
Its possible fleets that want to be 'single fuel' might welcome a 1/2 diesel ...... from any manufacturer

That would be a good example of those who will buy these small half ton diesels since fleets really don't care too much about performance like regular truck buyer do. As I said earlier in the thread, my company is planning on buying 20 regular cab versions of these trucks when they come out. I am friends with our netional fleet manager who is in charge of our 500+ truck fleet and we also have the same boss. We as a company meticulously analysis all costs and down time on these trucks so it will be interesting to compare them with the 3.5L and 2.7L Ecoboost we currently have for parts delivery trucks.

[ShinerBock]

Allamakee1 wrote:
Don.... Let him go. I've wasted enough of my time explaining things. Let everyone else make up their own minds with the real facts that they should be researching themselves and not just taking other people's words for it.

I don't think you explained things too well and have not come up with a valid reason why these small diesels will outsell the more powerful gas engines. I think the fact that most Ram 1500 customers are buying the 5.7L over the Ecodiesel is proof that MOST half ton truck buyers are willing to pay more in fuel for more power. Some like yourself and Don may be willing to sacrifice over 155hp for added fuel savings, but most won't if the difference remains below $50 a month for them. Those are facts based on current consumer purchases.

[Allamakee1]

Don.... Let him go. I've wasted enough of my time explaining things. Let everyone else make up their own minds with the real facts that they should be researching themselves and not just taking other people's words for it.

[hone_eagle]

Its possible fleets that want to be 'single fuel' might welcome a 1/2 diesel ...... from any manufacturer

[Adam_R]

Ralph Cramden wrote:

Adam R wrote:
One thing that has always pushed me toward diesels is that I prefer the powerband, torque and lack of drama (high rpms) when it come to working an engine hard.

Only on an RV forum can operating an engine at its designed parameters be stated as "drama" LOL. That's a good one.

Another great reminder of the benefits of avoiding the truck threads. Now off to fire up the snow blower, and crank the ole Kohler gasser up to drama level.

If you like pulling mountain passes at or near redline with a heavy load, good for you. I don’t and having an engine screaming at high rpm is what I call drama. Go deal with it. All I hear from my two diesels is the sweet sound of my turbo cramming more air into the engine. And they never exceed 3000 rpm doing it. The one with a custom compound set up has an especially sweet sound to it.

[ShinerBock]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Dude you should learn to read. I said Ford will have a winner with this engine I didn't bring the EB into this. I was just posting a comment to Troy's post eight pages in no less. Sorry you can't figure that out. The only thing I said was that Ford decided they were going to fallow (copy) Ram's lead and jump into the 150/1500 diesel market like I said they would do way back in 2013 LMAO!

I didn't say you brought the EB into this. Where did I say that? What I did say is that you usually bring the Ecodiesel into the Ecoboost threads. Maybe you should take your own advice about the reading.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Ford kept saying they were not going to build a f150 diesel all the way up to 2016.

I don't recall them saying that. They have been telling us on the dealer level that it will be coming for at least 5 years now, but first wanted to release the Ecoboost, then aluminum, and then the 10 speed.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
As for the EB threads I stay out of them until the Ram bashing starts and then I may or may not post something. Get your facts straight if you are going to talk Sh!t about someone pal.

Well, it is true that you do come into the EB threads to talk about your Ecodiesel quit often. Do you want me to post examples?

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
So do tell ShinerBock what have you seen with your own eyes? Ford's diesel is not out and the Ram EcoD tows trailers just fine.

If you would have taken your own advice again a read a few pages back where I stated I was in the passenger seat of a slightly less powerful than this Ford 3.0 Ecodiesel towing travel trailer that weighed just 6.5K. On the flats it would do fine, but on inclines it would drop speed down to 50-55 mph similar to this this Ecodiesel towing 7k(LINK). I also seen many other medium duty trucks at work with slightly more horsepower than the Ecodiesel and even more gears struggle the same way up hills with the same weight. This tells me that there is not way a slightly more powerful Ford 3.0L diesel is going to tow 11.4k at most half tone truck owners expectations especially up hills.

Now you might say that this little Ford diesel has a 10-speed so it should do better than an 8-speed Ecodiesel. Well yes, but very little. You see, gears only multiple torque, not horsepower, and it is horsepower that determines your speed. More gears simply just give you more opportunities to be in the "sweet pot" of the engines power band at more roads speeds to help you better utilize the engines power. Math will also tell you how much horsepower is needed to move an object with a certain amount of resistance at a certain speed and 250hp is just not enough for many half ton owners expectations towing a 10k plus travel trailer. Some may not mind going slower, but the average half ton truck buyer won't like going that slow without power to spare and paying the added cost in fuel for more power would be worth it to them.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Again, we have a guy over @ ram1500diesel.com that has a 2014 EcoD and tows RV's for a living. He has almost 350K on the clock here is the list of major repairs in the first 250K miles, Light switch, tail light bulb, alignment 196,000, Lift pump - $158 part 230,000 replaced chalky serpentine belt 250,000. So these little diesels are nothing to turn your nose up at.

And the point here is? Where was I talking about how many miles an engine can or can't go? I can show you a video of an Ecoboost at 200k as well, but that is not what I was saying. Maybe if you took your advice again and read what I have been stating then.....

What I have been saying is that the only major benefit these little diesels have is cost savings from better fuel economy. That's it. They are not more powerful than their gas counterparts, they are not more capable than their gas counterparts, and they definitely don't have better performance their the gas counters parts. So if this benefit is very minimal(below $50 a month) for the average half ton truck buyer then they will not sell many of them. Most people in this market are comfortable with paying the small cost difference for more power, performance, and capability because they see it as a benefit. More power usually does cost more, and if more people would rather pay to have it then so be it. I am not sure why you guys are mad about it. After all, it is not coming out of your wallet.

[1stgenfarmboy]

hone eagle wrote:
Heck RVing is financialy stupid ..... very stupid, but we all do it,applying a sharp pencil to the TV is blinding you to that reality.

This is hard to get across to alot of people.

[Ralph_Cramden]

Adam R wrote:
One thing that has always pushed me toward diesels is that I prefer the powerband, torque and lack of drama (high rpms) when it come to working an engine hard.

Only on an RV forum can operating an engine at its designed parameters be stated as "drama" LOL. That's a good one.

Another great reminder of the benefits of avoiding the truck threads. Now off to fire up the snow blower, and crank the ole Kohler gasser up to drama level.

[TakingThe5th]

Does anyone have a copy of the "Ford finally releases specs for F-150 3.0L diesel" post? I think I lost mine. I'm specifically looking for Page 105 of 210. 🙂 🙂

[bucky]

An Automotive News article this week reports that Ford expects that 5% of F150s will be ordered with the new diesel. They have better sources than I do, but I think they will be surprised by a higher number.
Does anyone have specs on diesel percentages in the HD pickup class?

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:
ShinerBock, you pretty well summed it up but I don't see any mention of the diesel costing around $4,000 more to start with. It seems like that would work out to about $50/month on the pretty common 7 year loan. I just did rough calculations in my head, please forgive me for not being exact.

I didn't add that in because you mainly get the cost of the diesel option(or an option for the matter) back on resale and because interest rates can vary. Many still offer a 0% financing as well. But yeah, it is added costs to it depending on the interest rate.

And the cost of a equally equipped f150 with the 3.5 EB and 10 speed cost more then the Ram EcoD and make a whole lot less mileage to boot!

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

ShinerBock wrote:

Just like Ecodiesel owners turned it into an ED holy-er than thou thread when this thread is specifically about a Ford diesel? The very same thing that Dodgeboy also does in Ecoboost threads?

Dude you should learn to read. I said Ford will have a winner with this engine I didn't bring the EB into this. I was just posting a comment to Troy's post eight pages in no less. Sorry you can't figure that out. The only thing I said was that Ford decided they were going to fallow (copy) Ram's lead and jump into the 150/1500 diesel market like I said they would do way back in 2013 LMAO!

Ford kept saying they were not going to build a f150 diesel all the way up to 2016.

As for the EB threads I stay out of them until the Ram bashing starts and then I may or may not post something. Get your facts straight if you are going to talk Sh!t about someone pal.

I have to disagree with you there based what I have seen with my own eyes. I don't think this Ford diesel will be able to tow 11k in extreme conditions within a limit that is acceptable to most.

So do tell ShinerBock what have you seen with your own eyes? Ford's diesel is not out and the Ram EcoD tows trailers just fine.

Again, we have a guy over @ ram1500diesel.com that has a 2014 EcoD and tows RV's for a living. He has almost 350K on the clock here is the list of major repairs in the first 250K miles, Light switch, tail light bulb, alignment 196,000, Lift pump - $158 part 230,000 replaced chalky serpentine belt 250,000. So these little diesels are nothing to turn your nose up at.

Don