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[4x4ord]

When I bought my first F350 back in 2011 I felt there were a number of little things that made Ford a better choice for me than what GM and Ram were offering. Things like power tow mirrors, tail gate step, storage compartments, power acc outlets, a much more heavy duty front end. I haven't kept up with all the changes in the new trucks but I know there are fewer things now that Ford has that the others don't. What I'm aware of is the dual panel sun roof and power mirrors. Ram has the air ride suspension and nicer hips on the dually and the mega cab ... does it have a tailgate step? All three manufacturers offer incredible powertrains. Is there anything that GM has the others don't? In the latest HD diesel 1 tons from the big three what features are available or missing on the different brands?

[2012Coleman]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Once set I NEVER touch my SPOT mirrors. Parallel parking I tip my big mirror down to see how close I am to the curb. When backing into a RV site I may adjust the big mirrors side to side.

An adjustable spot mirror IMHO is just a gimmick. But hey many love gimmicks!!!

Maybe need to tip them down for other types of parking... LOL 😉

[Cummins12V98]

"Wouldn't it be useful to be able to conveniently and remotely adjust the position of a larger surface area spot mirror so that the spot mirror would be able to work just as well in the mirror down position?


Maybe, but I doubt it since it's narrow and would NOT give you the same coverage with it down.

My basic point is it's adjustable down or up by hand and once you adjust it it never gets moved.

[BigToe]

If the 4th generation spot mirrors are larger than the 2nd and 3rd generation spot mirrors,

and

If the 3rd generation spot mirrors worked the same with mirrors up or down,

and

If the 4th generation spot mirrors really only work well with the mirrors up,

and

If there is more surface area on the 4th generation mirrors than the 3rd generation mirrors

then

Wouldn't it be useful to be able to conveniently and remotely adjust the position of a larger surface area spot mirror so that the spot mirror would be able to work just as well in the mirror down position?

[BigToe]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Once set I NEVER touch my SPOT mirrors. Parallel parking I tip my big mirror down to see how close I am to the curb. When backing into a RV site I may adjust the big mirrors side to side.

An adjustable spot mirror IMHO is just a gimmick. But hey many love gimmicks!!!

Whoa... "gimmick"? Let's rewind the tape back a bit:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Spot mirrors are too small on late second and third gen.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
On my 98 with 3rd gen flip up mirrors I ran with them down as the spot mirror worked the same when up or down.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
RAM Mirror options. My choice #2 (is the first pic shown, with the mirrors in the down position). Spot works in first pic, but not that great.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
The 4th gen mirrors spot really only works well with the mirrors UP.

please see next post below for the question. cannot edit this post anymore.

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[Bionic_Man]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Once set I NEVER touch my SPOT mirrors. Parallel parking I tip my big mirror down to see how close I am to the curb. When backing into a RV site I may adjust the big mirrors side to side.

An adjustable spot mirror IMHO is just a gimmick. But hey many love gimmicks!!!

There is a setting on your truck to automatically tip the mirror down when you put the truck in reverse.

[Cummins12V98]

Duplicate, GRRRRR

[Cummins12V98]

Once set I NEVER touch my SPOT mirrors. Parallel parking I tip my big mirror down to see how close I am to the curb. When backing into a RV site I may adjust the big mirrors side to side.

An adjustable spot mirror IMHO is just a gimmick. But hey many love gimmicks!!!

[ExxWhy]

Ram HD Brochure

Page 15 talks about the mirrors.

[mich800]

BigToe wrote:

ExxWhy wrote:

BigToe wrote:
The built in blind spot mirror to the new 2020 Ram HD is electrically adjustable... I saw a diagram with two red arrows referring to each segment of the 2020 Ram towing mirror that seemed to imply a new feature... suggesting by illustration that both sections of mirror were adjustable by remote control. I can no longer find the marketing illustration that had those red arrows by each segment of mirror, but I'm sure one of the Ram experts here can find it.

It mentions the "class exclusive available" power convex mirror in the brochure you can download on the ram truck website.

Thank you ExxWhy! I knew I couldn't have been imagining something that significant as an adjustable convex mirror. Finally! Why oh why did it take so long? I know the answer... cost to implement the feature... but I still ask the question out of frustration... and now out of relief, that a company finally came to their senses and incorporated this feature that will be useful for parallel parking, backing, and running down the road antlers up or down.

I can't download a lot of things on my computer (security settings) so that probably explains why I couldn't find it again. However, a lot of Ram owners, and would be Ram owners considering the 2020 2500/3500 series, might appreciate a direct link posted right here to the new power adjustable convex mirrors, as that really does change the game in terms of the roadway friendliness of the Ram tow mirrors, meaning that they can probably be just as useful in the down position when not towing as they are in the up position.

Thanks again!

I think the electric spot mirror should be standard on those mirrors. Unlike the Fords where you can set it and forget it as it does not significantly change in or out. The Promaster’s have had it for awhile and every time I drove one I would note to them it should be offered on the pickups.

[BigToe]

Winston Churchill wrote:
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

[FishOnOne]

Huntindog wrote:

mich800 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:


Only Ford and GM know their failure rates.

NHSTA tracks what was warrantied.

So saying that GM and Ford had similar failure rates as fish did is unsubstantiated. GM actually reported a higher percentage of warranty claims than Ford... Which is consistent with GM covering the repairs, and Ford had a lower percentage of reported warrantied failures.... Which is consistent with Ford denying coverage..... Though I strongly suspect the actual total failure rates were indeed similar..... There is no data to support it.

All we can say for sure, is that GM DID pay to fix a higher percentage of trucks than Ford did.
I actually had these reports on my computer back then.... That computer has been long gone though

First you say only Ford and GM know their failure rates. But then claim Ford has a higher denial rate base on a figure you do not have by admission. If we do not know GM and Ford's actual failure rate how are you attributing any percentages?

I did not state any percentages.. In fact, Fish did. I just pointed out that there is no data to back up actual failure rates.
I also did not cite a figure as to Ford or GMs warranty denial rates.
There is no data on that either. But since I bought a 2011 GM new, I had a dog in the fight in real time. It is very very rare to find a report of GM denying a claim... Just the opposite... In fact a member here, IIRCC Tucson Jim had a GM failure with over 100,000 miles on his truck. GM stepped up with substantial financial help for him out of warranty!

Sadly in Fords case there were many many failure/denial reports.
Too many to just brush off.

So to sum it up: The data available is warranty claim data.
When I had the documents, GMs rate was higher than Fords.

Since it is well known that Ford was denying a lot of claims, then it stands to reason that their warranty rate would be lower than GMs. It also stands to reason that their actual failure rates should be similar. The fact that the warranty claims are not, backs up the anecdotal reports of Fords warranty denials.

If you want the data on this, talk to Ford and GM. Nobody else has it.

Dog's going in circles here. Just like he did when he stated that the Duramax horse power was SAE rated and the Powerstroke wasn't (Notice a pattern here).

As for High Pressure Pump failure and injectors and it doesn't matter what type or brand no manufacture will warranty the repair for fuel contamination plain and simple.

[BigToe]

ExxWhy wrote:

BigToe wrote:
The built in blind spot mirror to the new 2020 Ram HD is electrically adjustable... I saw a diagram with two red arrows referring to each segment of the 2020 Ram towing mirror that seemed to imply a new feature... suggesting by illustration that both sections of mirror were adjustable by remote control. I can no longer find the marketing illustration that had those red arrows by each segment of mirror, but I'm sure one of the Ram experts here can find it.

It mentions the "class exclusive available" power convex mirror in the brochure you can download on the ram truck website.

Thank you ExxWhy! I knew I couldn't have been imagining something that significant as an adjustable convex mirror. Finally! Why oh why did it take so long? I know the answer... cost to implement the feature... but I still ask the question out of frustration... and now out of relief, that a company finally came to their senses and incorporated this feature that will be useful for parallel parking, backing, and running down the road antlers up or down.

I can't download a lot of things on my computer (security settings) so that probably explains why I couldn't find it again. However, a lot of Ram owners, and would be Ram owners considering the 2020 2500/3500 series, might appreciate a direct link posted right here to the new power adjustable convex mirrors, as that really does change the game in terms of the roadway friendliness of the Ram tow mirrors, meaning that they can probably be just as useful in the down position when not towing as they are in the up position.

Thanks again!

[ExxWhy]

BigToe wrote:


On a different note, but related to a tangent of this thread, does anyone know if the blind spot mirror to the new 2020 Ram HD is electrically adjustable? I saw a diagram with two red arrows referring to each segment of the 2020 Ram towing mirror that seemed to imply a new feature... suggesting by illustration that both sections of mirror were adjustable by remote control. If that were the case, then that would make the Ram's antlers more useful in the down position, would it not? Again, this is a question, not a statement. I can no longer find the marketing illustration that had those red arrows by each segment of mirror, but I'm sure one of the Ram experts here can find it.

It mentions the "class exclusive available" power convex mirror in the brochure you can download on the ram truck website.

[Huntindog]

mich800 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:


Only Ford and GM know their failure rates.

NHSTA tracks what was warrantied.

So saying that GM and Ford had similar failure rates as fish did is unsubstantiated. GM actually reported a higher percentage of warranty claims than Ford... Which is consistent with GM covering the repairs, and Ford had a lower percentage of reported warrantied failures.... Which is consistent with Ford denying coverage..... Though I strongly suspect the actual total failure rates were indeed similar..... There is no data to support it.

All we can say for sure, is that GM DID pay to fix a higher percentage of trucks than Ford did.
I actually had these reports on my computer back then.... That computer has been long gone though

First you say only Ford and GM know their failure rates. But then claim Ford has a higher denial rate base on a figure you do not have by admission. If we do not know GM and Ford's actual failure rate how are you attributing any percentages?

I did not state any percentages.. In fact, Fish did. I just pointed out that there is no data to back up actual failure rates.
I also did not cite a figure as to Ford or GMs warranty denial rates.
There is no data on that either. But since I bought a 2011 GM new, I had a dog in the fight in real time. It is very very rare to find a report of GM denying a claim... Just the opposite... In fact a member here, IIRCC Tucson Jim had a GM failure with over 100,000 miles on his truck. GM stepped up with substantial financial help for him out of warranty!

Sadly in Fords case there were many many failure/denial reports.
Too many to just brush off.

So to sum it up: The data available is warranty claim data.
When I had the documents, GMs rate was higher than Fords.

Since it is well known that Ford was denying a lot of claims, then it stands to reason that their warranty rate would be lower than GMs. It also stands to reason that their actual failure rates should be similar. The fact that the warranty claims are not, backs up the anecdotal reports of Fords warranty denials.

If you want the data on this, talk to Ford and GM. Nobody else has it.