Ford stops taking orders on the lightening

[way2roll]

Seems after 200k orders these truck are sold out through 2023.

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[Grit_dog]

Lol ^.
Can Tesla compete in the future? That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard today….
Literally made the founder the richest man in the world and someone is questioning his ability to make money? (Aka, his ability to keep Tesla relevant…)
That’s like questioning if Amazon or Apple have a solid business plan…
(Sent from my iPhone that I bought on Amazon…lol)

[valhalla360]

Lantley wrote:
I take it you've never driven a Tesla?
The super large touch screen, dual motors, full internet intergration are quite innovative.
The innovation started with a different mindset.
They chose to build a car with performance vs. an econmy drive commuter car.
If the lagacy dealers had the same mindset they wre sure keeping it a secret.

Touch screens and internet are not specific to Tesla or to EVs. The legacy manufacturers have had them for quite a while now. Tesla didn't drive these features.

Multiple motors are a simple feature of EVs, nothing particularly innovative about it.

They had to market to the high end virtue signalers because there weren't enough average people who could afford one. As it moves beyond a niche product, they will have to come down and play in the same market as the legacy manufacturers. The real question is can Tesla succeed with direct competition in their niche.

[Lantley]

valhalla360 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
I don't see it that way. There were a lot of naysayers who thought serious reliable EV coud not be achieved.
The best the legacy manufactures could could come up with were the Leaf and the Bolt.
Tesla showed that EV could be much more than a small commuter car.
They didn't just talk about it. They changed the face of EV.
Sure there were growing pains, but in the end they raised the bar for EV.
They showed the world that EV was possible, if you were creative and determined. Tesla had nothing holding them back.
They were able to simply think outside the box and run with it.
The rest of the world is now playing catch up.

Who thought they couldn't build a reliable EV?

The basic concept was never in question. They weren't particularly innovative, they just threw lots of money at massive battery banks to give it a decent range. .

I take it you've never driven a Tesla?
The super large touch screen, dual motors, full internet intergration are quite innovative.
The innovation started with a different mindset.
They chose to build a car with performance vs. an econmy drive commuter car.
If the lagacy dealers had the same mindset they wre sure keeping it a secret.

[valhalla360]

Lantley wrote:
I don't see it that way. There were a lot of naysayers who thought serious reliable EV coud not be achieved.
The best the legacy manufactures could could come up with were the Leaf and the Bolt.
Tesla showed that EV could be much more than a small commuter car.
They didn't just talk about it. They changed the face of EV.
Sure there were growing pains, but in the end they raised the bar for EV.
They showed the world that EV was possible, if you were creative and determined. Tesla had nothing holding them back.
They were able to simply think outside the box and run with it.
The rest of the world is now playing catch up.

Who thought they couldn't build a reliable EV?

The basic concept was never in question. They weren't particularly innovative, they just threw lots of money at massive battery banks to give it a decent range. There is nothing the legacy manufacturers don't have the capability of producing. They just had no interest when EVs made up 0.0001% of the market.

The issue was producing an economically viable EV. Without huge govt subsidies & kickbacks, Tesla would have went bankrupt long ago. They are still heavily dependent on them.

Now that the market is growing, the legacy manufacturers are getting into the game and have pretty much caught up with Tesla. Heck, Ford has beat them to market with a pickup.

[valhalla360]

bobsallyh wrote:
I read where Ford may make buyers of the Lightening sign a contract that they cannot sell the vehicle for a year after purchase.

Unless it's already spelled out in the pre-order contract, no way they could enforce it.

[Lantley]

Ford Dealers Will Likely Switch Over To New Business Model By 2023

[8_1_Van]

video

dealerships charging $30,000 EXTRA for F-150 Lightning

[Dadoffourgirls]

Wade44 wrote:
...How many on this 13 page thread actually own an EV? Looks like 2 with one of those being a hybrid.

I actually own a Diesel, ICE, and EV so that I could join any discussion with knowledge. My vehicles combined get close to 40k a year (down from peak years). I have them to serve a specific purpose. I do not have an ebike, as I need to haul more than myself most of the time.

I will continue to have a non-EV vehicle until the time comes that I can make my 754 mile trip to my daughters in less than 12 hours, since I can make that trip in 11 hours, 35 minutes.

[Wade44]

bobsallyh wrote:
I read where Ford may make buyers of the Lightening sign a contract that they cannot sell the vehicle for a year after purchase.

I would like to see them enforce that. Are they going to change the Ford Oval to a tilted Swastika? Come on down to your local Fordungruppenfuhrers, see Adolf Jones in sales today for a great deal! ROFLMAO. They should make the Ford dealers sign a contract that limits sales to no more than MSRP.



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Grit dog wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
Can't wait to see how this plays out. I think Fords going to make a lot of anti EV haters rethink it. Of course not the macho macho men.

So EV proponents?
Cause people that hate anti EV people like EVs, right? 😉

How many on this 13 page thread actually own an EV? Looks like 2 with one of those being a hybrid.

[Lantley]

philh wrote:

Lantley wrote:

I think being unable to meet demand puts more stress on Ford than Tesla.
It's one thing to talk about and advertise the coming of the F150 EV its another to actually produce the product

How many times has Tesla not been able to produce a product when they said they would, or not met the demand?

We're in uncharted territory right now.

I don't see it that way. There were a lot of naysayers who thought serious reliable EV coud not be achieved.
The best the legacy manufactures could could come up with were the Leaf and the Bolt.
Tesla showed that EV could be much more than a small commuter car.
They didn't just talk about it. They changed the face of EV.
Sure there were growing pains, but in the end they raised the bar for EV.
They showed the world that EV was possible, if you were creative and determined. Tesla had nothing holding them back.
They were able to simply think outside the box and run with it.
The rest of the world is now playing catch up.

[philh]

Lantley wrote:

I think being unable to meet demand puts more stress on Ford than Tesla.
It's one thing to talk about and advertise the coming of the F150 EV its another to actually produce the product

How many times has Tesla not been able to produce a product when they said they would, or not met the demand?

We're in uncharted territory right now.

[way2roll]

Lantley wrote:

philh wrote:
Lightening interest far exceeded Ford's expectations.

I've said all along, that once the OEM's started getting into EV, it would begin to stress Tesla's hold on the market. Ford appears to be deeper than GM, but I couldn't count them out of the race just yet.

I think being unable to meet demand puts more stress on Ford than Tesla.
It's one thing to talk about and advertise the coming of the F150 EV its another to actually produce the product

Agreed. Tesla sells about 400-500k cars annually. My guess would be either Ford didn't expect demand to be so high, or simply can't meet demand for a variety of factors. There is one major difference though, Ford sells a lot more cars in total. Now that they know demand is there, I expect a major ramp-up. I am sure there are other factors like government incentives that explain the number.

[Lantley]

philh wrote:
Lightening interest far exceeded Ford's expectations.

I've said all along, that once the OEM's started getting into EV, it would begin to stress Tesla's hold on the market. Ford appears to be deeper than GM, but I couldn't count them out of the race just yet.

I think being unable to meet demand puts more stress on Ford than Tesla.
It's one thing to talk about and advertise the coming of the F150 EV its another to actually produce the product

[bobsallyh]

I read where Ford may make buyers of the Lightening sign a contract that they cannot sell the vehicle for a year after purchase.

[2oldman]

I'm lightening my interest in the Lightning since they're hard to get.