heat and Li batteries.

StirCrazy wrote:

Reisender wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

Reisender wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:

markchengr wrote:
Lithium iron phosphate batteries are lithium ion batteries. Same thing. The iron and phosphate are in the form of ions.

yes, but it's the chemical composition that controls the properties. LFP batteries have a wider range than what is used in cars.

it was 46C here yesterday and my LFP batter in the camper didn't spontaneously combust.

Steve

Hi Steve. Roughly half of the batteries used in electric cars now are LFP. Just over half of Teslas sold use LFP batteries and that number is increasing. Ever changing tech of course.

it is far far less than 1/2, I would hazard to guess in the less than 5% range of vehicles sold if you're in north America. tesla just started using LFP in a limited trial last couple years in China and now all Chinese sold tesla's are LFP, and only on the standard range. Ford VW and a couple others are starting to dabble with them

here is a list of care running LFP and they are only available in certain countries in this set up

Tesla Model S
Volkswagen e-Golf
Ford Fusion
Nissan Leaf
Porsche Panamera
BMW 740iL

so the tesla is the standard range model only sold in China.

The rest are not on anyone's list that is seriously looking at electric cars for anything other than going to the grocery store as the range sucks. There is a trade off in using LFP for cars, the negative being less energy density than the others, meaning the same ah of storage takes up more space and weighs more. the benefits being longer life, and a safer chemistry.

Presently standard range model 3 and model Y use LFP batteries.

https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-batteries-in-half-new-cars-produced/

that just goes to show how many they are selling in China as the article you linked said exactly what I did. I didn't mention the model letters/numbers only the "standard range" I think for the bigger more desirable electric cars in north America, Tesla has plans to bring LFP in. ford is switching over in the Mach E for the 2024 model on standard range only also. When I have time, I can look at the others. I don't know anyone who bought a standard range where I live, but I guess if you live in a big city and don't do a lot of road trips that might work for you.

Yah. It will be interesting to see the adaptation of LFP going forward and which markets adapt them.

Presently all model 3 and Y’s sold in Canada come from China but they are not all LFP. Just the standard range. Model S and X come from the factory in freemont. The Cybertrucks will come from Texas and rumour has it they are the 4680’s produced on teslas own battery line.
That’s subject to change going forward and other rumours indicate that some Cybertruck models might be using 2170’s from Panasonics nevada factory. Hard to keep up with all of it. Interesting though.

Cheers.