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How Roadworthy is my rig?

KFCCaravan
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Hello everybody

Long time lurker, first time poster here.

My name is Brett, and my wife and two daughters (aged 4 and 1) are super excited to announce that we have just purchased our first travel trailer. We have signed on the dotted line and the unit is awaiting pickup in a couple of weeks.
The trailer is a 2014 Coachmen Clipper 17BH. We chose this unit primarily for it's layout coupled with light weight. Of course the budget was quite limited too. At 22 feet, it is also at the limit of what I can fit in my backyard which is important.

Specs of the Clipper 17BH:
Hitch Weight: 406lbs
Exterior Length: 21'8"
Width:88"
Exterior Height: 9'8"
Base weight:2818lbs
GVWR: 3626lbs
Single Axle, electric brakes

I have never towed before and wanted to remain on the safe side of my vehicles towing limitations. The tow vehicle will be a 2014 Grand Cherokee V8.

Specs of the Grand Cherokee:
Curb Weight: 5324 lbs
Wheel Base: 114.8"
5.7L V8, 360hp, 390ft/lb
4wd, 8 speed auto
The tow limit is 7200 lbs, tongue limit is 720lbs
Payload: 1090lbs (a little on the low side but manageable)

I have installed a Tekonsha P3 brake controller and the dealer is equiping my trailer with a weight distributing hitch. I believe that I am ready to pick the trailer up and I'm just waiting for the weather t stabilize a little more.
I must admit I got a little excited and really jumped head first into all of this and I lack any experience. I did not test drive my trailer with my tow rig and perhaps have made some hasty/unwise decisions.
So I guess what I'm looking for here besides sharing my excitement with all of you is opinions on how my setup will function on the open road. I will be doing a lot of towing in the mountains through relatively high elevations at times. I know that my tow vehicle has a shortish wheel base and I certainly do not want to be swaying back and forth in the wake of semis with my family on board. I want this to be safe first and foremost.
What do y'all think? Please keep in mind that we have already purchased so changing trailer models is not really feasible at this time.

Thanks
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BubbaChris
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Great update, so glad to hear things are working out so well. Congratulations!
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Boband4
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Maybe I missed it, hopefully not recycling a previous comment; but, pay attention to the rear stabilizer legs when not connected to the TV. I have read a few posts from people saying that they had their trailer unhooked and "just" on the tongue jack. When they were in the trailer and went behind the axle it really made the front end of the trailer light.

Steve_911
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Profdant139,
Awesome pics of your eastern Sierra trip. My wife saw your post and now wants to plan a similar trip. Looks like you had a great time as the pics and blog show...thanks for posting.
Steve911

Slownsy
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SprinklerMan it is sometimes a good idea to look at dates and read the tread before commenting.
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SprinklerMan
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Somebody mentioned to go out and practice , I would also like to add , drive it down a major highway , loaded , but do it alone , get the "feel" before you put the family in it . Practice backing up a lot , part of the fun of camping is watching the newbees backing in a campsite with one spouse screaming at the other .

69_Avion
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I think that you have the perfect size rig for your family and for your TV. It should last you for many years. As far as a larger TT goes, I have a 34' Avion and my short 19.5' rig is the one that always gets used because I can get it off the road where I like to came without getting hung up. The extra room in the large on is nice, but not for the trade off of camping spots.
Enjoy your rig. You did a good job of research, BEFORE buying and it is now paying off.
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KFCCaravan
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Hello again

Just thought I'd update this thread I created to let everyone know of our initial experiences towing with our SUV/trailer combo. First of all, thanks for all the input from forum members and my apologies for not responding as I seem to have lost track of my own thread and didn't realize people had continued responding.
So far the family has logged two trips with our new TT and we're really enjoying it. The one year old is a bit of a challenge camping and we think that we probably started our camping adventures one year too soon but we're still making the best of it.

Towing Experience:
Going into this I had real concerns about trailer sway mostly from reading threads on this forum. I have a short wheel base tow vehicle and no sway control; only weight distribution. My Grand Cherokee has built in electronic sway control but I'm told you don't ever want to get into that.
So far I have not experienced any trailer sway induced by passing tractor trailers or other large vehicles (either passing me from behind of head on). My setup feels rock solid in these situations. I can certainly feel cross winds and would not want to tow on an excessively windy day, but overall I am getting more confident (but not complacent) out there with every passing mile.
I read a lot of people who comment that their tow vehicle towed the TT so well that it was "like nothing was back there". Well, as pleased as I am with my Grand Cherokee, I definitely would not say that. The 5.7 has plenty of power and I never struggled to maintain speed on grade, but I constantly was aware that it was working for it. On a decent uphill grade it would generally drop to 4th or 5th and hold around 3500rpm which seems to be the sweet spot for the hemi. Occasionally it would drop another gear and hang out around 4000rpm if it got really steep. Most people say this motor can run in these rpm ranges all day long so I'm not too concerned. Transmission and water temp hardly rose at all. During a climb the only parameter I noticed climbing was oil temp but it never got anywhere near yellow. On the downhill grades when I could really feel the trailer pushing us down the hill, I really enjoyed the paddle shifters for dropping gears for very effective engine braking. My fuel economy for our 1300km trip from Calgary, AB to Kelowna, BC and back through the mountains was just under 20L/100km. Not amazing but about what you'd expect I guess.
The Tekonsha P3 brake controller is also working quite nicely and produces very smooth predictable braking.
Overall, very happy with the Grand Cherokee as long as it remains reliable. If my family enjoys camping our next tow vehicle in 5 years or so will certainly be a little beefier but we're totally happy for now.

TT Camping Experience:
Given our tow vehicle's payload limitations, I think that we chose just about the perfect sized trailer for out family size. As much as I'd like a 33 foot fifth wheel with pullouts, our 17 footer is about as good as it gets for us. We can also store the trailer at home at this size. Really enjoying the pack and play bunk arrangement and the permanent double bed.
So far I've installed some interior LED ambient lighting (I'm a big LED nerd), built an oak ladder for the upper bunk, and installed a curtain to partition off the main bed.
So far every system has functioned perfectly in the trailer with the exception of one interior speaker which I repaired myself (bad splice at the head unit). I also recaulked the shower as it appeared to have been sealed by a 4 year old.
Also worth noting is that we're extremely impressed with our solar panel. We have two twelve volt batteries and one roof mounted 160 watt panel. We camped for 5 nights in marginal weather and every day the panel took us back to 100%. I even noted 2-3 amp charges in overcast conditions. Very impressive. Of course our electical needs are quite low in this trailer and we always take care to manage power and not run anything needlessly.
My wife an I always tried to use the public washrooms and showers on this trip. We still managed to fill our grey water tank in 4 days. The black water never exceed 1/3 and our fresh water lasted until the end of the trip. I could see with a full grown family boondocking in the wilderness that grey water and black water would need to be carefully managed.

Well that's enough for now. Just wanted to update the thread in case anyone has a similar setup they might have concerns with. Let me know if you have any questions.

Happy camping. Cheers!

dadmomh
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Congrats on the new camper and great experiences. So you already know your strengths and limits with this....always good to determine before rather than after the fact. Strongly suggest you consider every item that goes in and its weight. If you have to take the bathroom scale outside, so be it. Almost all of us have found that "stuff" migrates to the trailer and all of a sudden you wonder where all this came from. With the smaller size, you won't have much leeway, so just be cautious. Great looking camper and you'll all treasure these times. Have fun and be safe.
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profdant139
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Those are two lucky girls you've got there! You probably already know this, but you are about two hours away from this:



That's Peter Lougheed Provincial Park on a September morning. An easy drive from Calgary -- wide roads, not winding, not too steep at all. Camping heaven!
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gmw_photos
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To the OP...that's a nice looking trailer. Have fun with it. I sent you a PM about WD hitches.

69_Avion
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I think you have a nice combination. At least you didn't buy a trailer that is pushing your TV to the limits. Make sure you set up your WDH correctly and have sufficient tongue weight. DO NOT try to save vehicle carrying capacity by loading the TT to reduce tongue weight. Keep it over 10% of the gross trailer weight.

Post some pictures of the entire rig when you have it set up.
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colliehauler
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Welcome to the RV Net forum. You'll be fine with a WD hitch just keep the speed down to 65 mph and don't overload. I would camp close to walmart or home to get what you need and get use to the systems. Don't stress over the little things. You can pick up lightweight dishes and cookware silverware. Some nice sheets, lightweight blankets, towels, soap, non-toxic water hose, sewer hose, and septic safe tp. Have fun.

boosTT
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Some WD hitches require drilling, some don't. I would be more concerned about sway control rather than WD with your setup. Some WD hitches have sway control built in, but the cheap ones don't. I would also recommend investigating towing with air suspension, if you have it.

There is a good chance you will end up over the GVWR of the trailer. The tires are probably barely rated to meet the GVWR. A blowout with a single axle could be nasty. I would consider upgrading the tires (assuming they have a low load rating). Weighing the trailer couldn't hurt either.

Otherwise, your setup should be awesome. It will take time to get the hang of it, but I'm sure you'll do fine.

Francesca_Knowl
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:h

Looks to me like tongue weight is going to be around 400 pounds max- since the tug's TW limit is almost twice that, is a W/D system really needed for this setup?

I hope the O.P. understands that W/D isn't "sway control" in case that's why it's being added-?
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