Inflated hopes for EV P/U

[agesilaus]

Realistic look at EV Towing

Well those of you all gung ho for new electric p/u should try this realistic look at what to expect: 60 mile real world range when towing, 24 hour (not overnight) recharge on 240 V charger or one week on 120 V

I think electric cars are OK for urban dwellers with short range needs, forget towing.

[time2roll]

Lynnmor wrote:
I would like to see a free market where there is no unnecessary government intrusion. The way the country was built is nothing like today.

So go back to polluting the air, water and land like the old days? Low price at any cost....

[colliehauler]

Personal opinion, I think if electric vehicles are mandatory it will hurt the poor the most. The people in low paying jobs drive (beaters) to work they purchase for 1 or 2k. Raising the price of fuel 8 bucks a gallon to push people into electric hurts people that can barely afford to make ends meet as it is.

I'm not against electric and seriously considering the Ford 150 electric. But I beleive this issues along with environmental concerns need to be addressed not repressed.

[colliehauler]

Lynnmor wrote:

Learjet wrote:


With the attitude of some of you guys there would never be any intoviation...ie trial and error...free market...the stuff this country was built on.

I would like to see a free market where there is no unnecessary government intrusion. The way the country was built is nothing like today.

This ^^^ If you build a better product it will succeed on its own merits.

[colliehauler]

way2roll wrote:

larry cad wrote:
Also, don't forget we have to keep cranking up those horrible carbon emitting power plants in order to create sufficient electricity to power those wonderful EV machines.

This. I get that electric motors are really efficient at producing a lot of power and zero lag. Lower emissions sure, but power/energy is never lost, it's just converted or transferred. To produce power to charge EV's and manufacture them you still need power plants. You need infrastructure. The raw materials to manufacture the batteries are hardly eco friendly and there is no long term plan on how to dispose of the batteries at the end of their life.

EV's are great, don't get me wrong, but the entire process from manufacture to disposal needs to be vetted. Current state it's a bit of smoke and mirrors. Ooh look a new EV that does this and that. Don't look behind the curtain about how it's made or what to do with all the waste and the environmental impact from harvesting raw materials.

No wants to discuss the environmental impact and if you mention this you are chastised for not being a team player. Even major newspaper will not publish any letters that are negative on green energy LA Times. I think we need a open and honest discussion not just one sided opinion.

[Lynnmor]

Learjet wrote:


With the attitude of some of you guys there would never be any intoviation...ie trial and error...free market...the stuff this country was built on.

I would like to see a free market where there is no unnecessary government intrusion. The way the country was built is nothing like today.

[Learjet]

philh wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

Has there been a breakthru in solar? I thought the panels needed sunlight?

There you go thinking again... Just drink the koolaid and take the blue pill

The solar helps with the peak loads on a hot day...the nuclear carries the base load at night on the grid where I live.

Either you guys don't want to think...or just like to be argumentative?

With the attitude of some of you guys there would never be any intoviation...ie trial and error...free market...the stuff this country was built on.

[philh]

Huntindog wrote:

Has there been a breakthru in solar? I thought the panels needed sunlight?

There you go thinking again... Just drink the koolaid and take the blue pill

[Huntindog]

Learjet wrote:

larry cad wrote:
Also, don't forget we have to keep cranking up those horrible carbon emitting power plants in order to create sufficient electricity to power those wonderful EV machines.

Not always...I live between two Nuclear plants and a 500 acre solar farm.

Also, most people charge at night when the base load on the electrical grid is low. This is why we can support some more EVs to a point with our current capacity.

Has there been a breakthru in solar? I thought the panels needed sunlight?

[free_radical]

mkirsch wrote:
You know, if you feel the need to be enraged, there are other things to get enraged about than something that is going to play out as it plays out whether you are enraged or not. Just sit back and watch the show. Maybe you will be right and it will be a miserable failure. Maybe it will prove you wrong. Seems like a lot of wasted energy raging over it.

There are only three things for sure in life: Death, taxes, and the wasteful spending of the aforementioned tax dollars. If it's not electric trucks, it will be something else, like roads or law enforcement. None of it will be to your liking.

Imo its not wasteful spending if it makes air cleaner.

What gets my goat is sht like legal robery by police
Civil forfeiture

https://youtu.be/GLCgf8yN_SE

[rjstractor]

pianotuna wrote:
Since when did campgrounds only have 15 amp outlets? It is a nice video--but clearly he did not research charging at campgrounds too well.

In a practical sense specifically concerning EV charging, they all do. Many have 30A 120V service, but there is no such thing as 30A level 1 charging that I'm aware of. You get the same charge rate as plugging into any 120V outlet regardless of its amp rating. If your site has 50A 240 service you might be able to use a universal level 2 charge adapter and get a decent charge overnight. But you might not have any current left over for niceties like A/C or microwave. If you want to use these things (most of us will, that's why we RV in the first place) you're back to level 1 charging.

[goducks10]

Learjet wrote:
I have my Diesel PU for Towing, the Wife has a gas car and I have an all electric Nissan Leaf now for over a year and put over 11,000 miles on it.

The EV works great as my daily driver and with 200 miles range I can easily take care of my local driving and visits to family/friends and only charge at home. Its fun to drive and sporty. EV's do have limitations as covered here and I don't see them completely replacing Gas/Diesel any time soon. But have an open mind to the new tech...you have to start somewhere!

Spot on. Henry Ford would agree as well.

[mkirsch]

You know, if you feel the need to be enraged, there are other things to get enraged about than something that is going to play out as it plays out whether you are enraged or not. Just sit back and watch the show. Maybe you will be right and it will be a miserable failure. Maybe it will prove you wrong. Seems like a lot of wasted energy raging over it.

There are only three things for sure in life: Death, taxes, and the wasteful spending of the aforementioned tax dollars. If it's not electric trucks, it will be something else, like roads or law enforcement. None of it will be to your liking.

[Learjet]

larry cad wrote:
Also, don't forget we have to keep cranking up those horrible carbon emitting power plants in order to create sufficient electricity to power those wonderful EV machines.

Not always...I live between two Nuclear plants and a 500 acre solar farm.

Also, most people charge at night when the base load on the electrical grid is low. This is why we can support some more EVs to a point with our current capacity.

[Learjet]

I have my Diesel PU for Towing, the Wife has a gas car and I have an all electric Nissan Leaf now for over a year and put over 11,000 miles on it.

The EV works great as my daily driver and with 200 miles range I can easily take care of my local driving and visits to family/friends and only charge at home. Its fun to drive and sporty. EV's do have limitations as covered here and I don't see them completely replacing Gas/Diesel any time soon. But have an open mind to the new tech...you have to start somewhere!