Jayco Premier 284bhbe vs Outdoors RV Creekside 27BHS

[peejaykay]

Hi all,

It's down to these two trailers. THoughts or opinions on the two models mentioned below? I've seen the Creekside in person, its a great unit - solid frame design and fantastic insulation package & worksmanship. 7350 yellow sticker weight + 735 hitch. I haven't seen the Jayco in person yet. I am leaning towards the Outdoors RV unit because I think its a better built trailer.

Jayco 284BHBE
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 6,605
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 630
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) 9,250
Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) 2,645
http://www.jayco.com/products/travel-trailers/2015-eagle-travel-trailers/284bhbe/

Outdoors RV
Full Feature Dry Weight - Lbs.6935
Fresh Water Capacity (approx. gal)80
Tire Size ST225/75 15 Load RangeD
Exterior Length (approx. w / hitch)32'7"
LPG Capacity (approx. pounds)60
Gray Water Tank (approx. gallons)40/20
Black Water Tank (approx. gallons)40
Dry Hitch Weight (approx. Lbs.)660
Maximum Trailer Weight - Lbs.8800
Exterior Height 11'4" w/AC
Interior Height6'11"
http://www.outdoorsrvmfg.com/creekside/models/27BHS.php

[peejaykay]

Here's what I got from Outdoor RV when I asked what the difference between their Creekside 27BHS and Blackrock 26BHS were...same layout.

"LED lights are not available in Black Rock.
Shock absorbers are not available in Black Rock.
10gal water heater is not available in Black Rock.
GoodYear branded tires are not available in Black Rock. (They are GoodYear's
generic tire & are 15" with a 2yr. roadside warranty.) Friction hinge entry
doors are not available in Black Rock.
Black Rock contains two layers of fiberglass insulation in the attic space.
Creek Side has this and the addition of the thermafoil blanket. Black Rock &
Creek Side have skylights over the shower. Creek Side has an additional
skylight in the galley. BR has one drawer in the dinette--CS two. BR does
not have the maintenance solar panel--CS does. BR does not include the BBQ
hose bib--CS does."

[HOGWYLD]

carringb wrote:
I'm not sure you'll get 30-35% off an ORV right now. They are still working on the back ordered inventory, so dealers are probably less wiling to let them go at a steep discount.

I bought mine in Boise, at Dennis Dillon but I'm not sure if recommend them anymore. The sales part was great, but they title part got a little snafu' dans they were slow to fix the problem, and never once returned my calls.

I've been using Apache Camping center in portland for service, and so far it seems like a good dealer. I bought out of state simple because Boise was the closest unit in stock in the floor plan I wanted.

PS - The Blackrock line super nice! With they madey floor plan in that trim!

Thanks for the advice! I figure I've got some time and will get more serious in the November / December time frame. That might give me a bit more bargaining power. Really leaning towards the 26bhs. I just love the big bunks and the separate door for the head.

[hawkeye-08]

I like what I have read about the Outdoors RV products, at least the high end ones.. when you are looking at travel trailers and concerned with weight, take a look (side view) and figure out where things are such as fresh water and holding tanks. Where is the storage? Are the places you are going to load heavier items going to cause more tongue weight or less? Where is that large cooler full of drinks and ice going to be when traveling? Where is that large campstove going to be? Good luck, happy camping.

[carringb]

I'm not sure you'll get 30-35% off an ORV right now. They are still working on the back ordered inventory, so dealers are probably less wiling to let them go at a steep discount.

I bought mine in Boise, at Dennis Dillon but I'm not sure if recommend them anymore. The sales part was great, but they title part got a little snafu' dans they were slow to fix the problem, and never once returned my calls.

I've been using Apache Camping center in portland for service, and so far it seems like a good dealer. I bought out of state simple because Boise was the closest unit in stock in the floor plan I wanted.

PS - The Blackrock line super nice! Wish they made my floor plan in that trim!

[azwildcat99]

The tongue weight is estimated at 10%. Only once you set it up for your situation will you know for sure. Normally a TT has a tongue weight of 12-15%. The yellow sticker on the RV may or may not include the battery and propane tanks on the front. Most times they do not.

You'll probably be fine, as I didn't notice at first that GM upped the GVWR of the new trucks or offered the NHT pkg with the 5.3. Mine was only 7200 GVWR and NHT was not offered unless you got the 6.2.

I just want to share my experience to keep others from making a similar mistake. I simply bought too much trailer for my truck even though it was within the mfg tow ratings. At first I was excited about the diesel, but over the long term I'd rather have a 1/2 ton as the 2500HD is not the best daily driver but I needed to be safe and we liked our TT. Fortunately, two 3000 mile plus summer trips have made me happy with my overall decision.

[peejaykay]

The ORV had a sticker tongue wt of 735 and 7350 loaded from factory.

[azwildcat99]

eluwak wrote:

peejaykay wrote:

Jayco 284BHBE
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 6,605
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 630

Outdoors RV
Full Feature Dry Weight - Lbs.6935
Dry Hitch Weight (approx. Lbs.)660

Don't be surprised if those hitch weights nearly double after loading and getting the trailer to tow well. They are below 10% there which usually causes a stability problem with TTs.

I agree. If you have a family you are looking to load up in the crew cab, you'll be pushing the limits of that truck with either trailer. I'd double check the yellow loading sticker on the truck once it arrives to ensure you have enough payload to accommodate the tongue weight, occupants and gear in the truck. My TT is 6500 dry, but I was over my gvwr and gcwr of my 07 Sierra 1500 once I got it weighed with the trailer hooked up with the wdh. Thus the reason for my 2500. Stability was night and day difference between towing with the two trucks.

[eluwak]

peejaykay wrote:

Jayco 284BHBE
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) 6,605
Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) 630

Outdoors RV
Full Feature Dry Weight - Lbs.6935
Dry Hitch Weight (approx. Lbs.)660

Don't be surprised if those hitch weights nearly double after loading and getting the trailer to tow well. They are below 10% there which usually causes a stability problem with TTs.

[HOGWYLD]

I'm looking to check these out as well as the Black Rock version during this falls RV shows. Do you all think that the standard 30% to 35% rule will apply this off season for these trailers? Does anyone that has bought the Outdoors RV recommend any specific dealers in the Oregon / Washington areas?

Thanks!

Mike

[peejaykay]

2015 Silverado Crew w/max tow on order.

3.73 gears, 5.3, 7600 GVWR, 5400 w/full tank of gas and 1800 payload avail. 11k rating.

Do you mind PM'ing me your dealer in Oregon? I would prefer to pay less sales tax than California.

[myredracer]

Jayco would be a good choice, but definitely go with Outdoors RV.

ORV uses the same frame as Nash and are heavy duty off-road construction. Nash has them independently "off-road" certified. Not having a frame built by L*pp**t is a big plus in itself.

ORV has lots of well thought out features throughout. If you looked at one side by side, it'd be clear. If I knew what I know about ORV today, we'd probably have one in our driveway right now.

[texasclarks]

I think <$30K is realistic for sure. What will be your Tow Vehicle (TV)?

We have a Rockeood Signature Ultralight that we like, but weight was an issue and for the length and weight their may be other options.

Between those two TTs I like the Outdoor RV over the Jayco.

[peejaykay]

Is the low 30s realistic?

[sportsman16]

I am not sure about price difference. I do know I did not get the "30% off MSRP " that many on here use as a guide. I believe you may have more room for negotiation with a Jayco vs a Crrekside. Lots and Lots of Jaycos produced. Not near as many Creeksides. As for the AC, we spent one week in LAke Chelan Wa with outside temps ranging from mid eighties to upper nineties. Set thermostat inside to 75 and AC unit worked well. Trailer is very well insulated and I believe a true 4 season construction.