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rwiegand
Explorer
Dec 09, 2015

Lance 851 Bumper surgery for trailer hitch, other mods

For a number of reasons I’ve replaced my older Lance 835 with a new-to-me 2007 Lance 851 camper. I pull a large, heavy trailer behind my TC with too much tongue weight, so I really wanted to keep the hitch directly on the truck, without using any kind of extension. The AirSafe hitch I use (one of the great inventions of all time) already sticks out an extra foot behind the truck.

The 851 is a pretty rare model, long bed with a slider for the dinette and unusually large tank capacities for a relatively small camper. They only made it for two years, and apparently not very many of them. It has always seemed about perfect for our uses and this fall we had a confluence of both the old camper with a scary amount of rot and this one coming available used just over the border in New Hampshire. Previously all I’d seen were in the deep south or far west.

Unlike the 835 which sits up in the bed and blocks neither the hitch area in the back of the truck nor the truck taillights and signals, the 851 has this silly back wall and bumper that drops down off the end of the truck and blocks access to the hitch, like this:



I took the camper to Rich and team at New England RV Collision Center to see what they could do. After some discussion of various possibilities we decided we could cut the bumper but leave the plate on top intact. It is rigid enough to maintain structural integrity without any of the additional reinforcement strategies we had contemplated for a bigger cutout. So once that was done the camper now looks like this:





I can both pull directly with no extension and we’ve even kept the rear step! A nice win-win solution. The only thing I’ve given up is some length for storing the stinky slinky.

While we were there I also added a backup camera for both the truck and trailer. This camper provides no visibility to the rear at all and has a blind spot about the size of Montana. I went with a wired system from Rearview Safety. The back of the trailer is a good 50 ft from the cab of the truck, with a 12 ft tall aluminum box in the way to block the signal, so I thought wireless was just asking for trouble. We installed a three camera system, one on the camper, one on the trailer, and one on the license plate holder on the truck to let me see the hitch ball when hooking up. The wiring harness and connectors provided were really nice and heavy duty—you can see the silver camera connector for the trailer to the left of the trailer hitch. The system seems to work very nicely, but it is going to take some practice because objects are much closer than they appear in the camera. I guess there is a tradeoff for field of view and distortion of apparent distance.



Finally we installed a 150 watt solar panel from AM Solar on the roof with the Blue Sky SB3000i MPPT controller. Their installation kit was great, with everything needed provided and what seems to be very high quality hardware. We haven’t had a chance to exercise the panel on a camping trip yet as winter is upon us in the northeast, but it certainly keeps the batteries fully charged.



With all of that the new camper is ready to rock, both for the kind of camping we like and when I’m hauling the fairground organ to fairs and other events.

  • Nice job on the bumper modification. They do great work!
  • RoyB's avatar
    RoyB
    Explorer II
    Nice mod...

    Have you had any problems getting in and out of the trailer. An unknowing person might go flying in the wind running out of your TC door haha...

    I probably would look into making some sort of short step on top of the bumper to at least fit your foot on it safely... With your step to the side I see you have to side step to get into the opened doorway now... Your safety handle probably gets a work-out now...

    Those real long hitch extensions really are something. I still don't understand how the hitch extension can support alot of tongue weight but they do somehow. ALot of trailers being pulled by them... I know its a problem as I just recently seen where guy welded a second trailer hitch tubing under the original tube to make it stronger for additional tongue weight I guess.

    Found this on google showing something similar...


    Roy Ken
  • Roy Ken,

    There is a commercial product utilizing that dual receiver design called the Torklift Superhitch. Odds are the one you are referencing is a copy of that product.
  • Perhaps it's unclear in the picture, but the step is still there. It's a piece of ~3/16" thick aluminum supported on three sides. It doesn't budge when I step on it.
  • Like the solution and thing it will do you fine.

    I was wondering about the top tread metal thickness so thanks for posting that. You should get by without any reinforcement, but keep an eye on it. After the first trip or two, put a straight edge on it making sure you aren't starting to see some bending. If you do, you want to catch it as soon as possible before you stretching the metal. Just add a heavy wall 1" angle or tubing under the edge and you won't have to worry about it again.

    By the way, neat "toy" to haul around. Have fun at the fairs.
  • I have the same bumper. Your mod is clean and functional, excellent. A question, I have a 40" hitch extension, the further back the trailer the tighter I can turn without the trailer hitting the TC jacks. With basically no extension is your turn capability acceptable? Did you extend the trailer tongue?
  • nycsteve wrote:
    I have the same bumper. Your mod is clean and functional, excellent. A question, I have a 40" hitch extension, the further back the trailer the tighter I can turn without the trailer hitting the TC jacks. With basically no extension is your turn capability acceptable? Did you extend the trailer tongue?


    This is something I'm going to have to watch out for. The rear jacks are only about 4-5 inches farther back on this camper than on my 835 so I'm hoping I'm OK-- they were not close to hitting before at maximum turn. Haven't made the real world test yet. It will make getting the rig turned around in my driveway even more challenging if they can hit.