New Maxxis tires are 2 years old???

[pickjare]

Hello, I enjoy reading topics on this forum and have learned a lot from you guys. This is my first post. With all the controversy of ST tires vs. LT tires, I decided to buy what many think are the best ST tires available since LT aren't an option in my size. I ordered 4 ST205/75R15 Maxxis M8008 tires from Summit Racing (a reputable company that was first to come up with google search) and got them today. I want to have the best experience with them. Checking them over, I found the last 4 digits of DOT # is "1314." They seem to be in brand new condition--must have been sitting around. So it appears they were made over 2 years ago, I'll call them tomorrow, but should I be concerned about this?

[jmtandem]

I and many others have NEVER run into such a situation... Though I am sure it has happened. Many tire shop workers are not the brightest tools in the shed. ( heck most of the time, they cannot even get all my tires inflated to the same psi.) So anything is possible.

But what you describe is not a normal situation.. You are just using it as a poor argument to support your views
So I am calling BS on this,

I suspect the bigger and real issue is that many tire shops want to sell what they have in stock and not order tires. It has nothing to do with ST or LT tires. Les Schwab, a major west coast tire retailer, will mount LT tires on a rim for a travel trailer but will try first to sell what they have in stock. That perhaps is part of Jeremy's issue. Nobody wants to lose a sale so I am sure that if the big retailers will mount an LT tire on a travel trailer rim, so will the smaller tire retailers. Discount Tire will also try to sell what they have but I have found they will order what you want if you insist. Many run LT tires on travel trailers and have no issues. Why would a tire shop care since LT tires are not less safe?

[gmw_photos]

wrgrs50s wrote:
I've noticed this happens a lot on this forum that even though the original poster has come to a suitable solution, the other posters just go on and on and on with arguments that no longer serve a purpose!!!!

It's great to see alternative ideas to reach a solution, but to argue who's is the best is just a waste of space.

Congratulate the guy for finding a solution that he is happy with and move on to the next thread.

Ah yes, grasshopper, but it's not a waste to continue discussion ! The OP is not the only person who can and might gain info from reading these ongoing posts. Other folks also read these threads hoping to gain some broader knowledge of a subject. More discussion is generally better than less discussion.

[wrgrs50s]

I've noticed this happens a lot on this forum that even though the original poster has come to a suitable solution, the other posters just go on and on and on with arguments that no longer serve a purpose!!!!

It's great to see alternative ideas to reach a solution, but to argue who's is the best is just a waste of space.

Congratulate the guy for finding a solution that he is happy with and move on to the next thread.

[Huntindog]

jfkmk wrote:

Huntindog wrote:


As for you calling BS on my " unsupported generalization" that cost tends to be the most important priority among ST tire buyers...
Isn't that precisely what happened in the OPs case?

He was all concerned about the age of the tires... They offered him several solutions, to get better tires, or he could get a few bucks back in his wallet... He chose the money back over better tires.

I think my observation was spot on.

RIF, you oughta try it. Look at the original post. OP stated LT tires are not available in the size he needs.I never told the OP that he should get LT tires. Even though, I would reccommend that as the best option.. It would mean changing sizes. But I did not say anything about that at all. Later, he was given the opportunity to take a chance of ordering the tires again to see if he could get NEWER versions of the SAME tire, not BETTER tires.I think most everyone would agree that a two year old tire is not as "good" as a tire that is a fraction of that age. Therefore a fresher tire agewise is a better tire. You make the arguement that someone went looking for shops to support their arguement for ST tires.It is a fact that Jermey is a ST tire proponent. So it is illogical that he was checking tire shops to see about getting some LTs mounted. IF he was checking shops at all, it was to try to find some that wouldn't do it... I am skeptical to say the least. Yet you make the incredible stretch that because someone didn't want to take the chance to order tires again and hope for newer onesThe OP was offered several options. One option was to return the tires for a FULL refund. That was IMO the best option. then the search could have started anew, with the fresh tire requiement being made upfront to the tire dealers.
He chose the cheapest option. that ALL poeple who buy ST tires care ONLY about price at the cost of all else. Ridiculous.
All, always, only etc. are pretty big words. I try to stay away from them.
But if you do any reading at all here, the trend I spoke of is obvious. And isn't that what happened in the OPs case?

[jfkmk]

Huntindog wrote:


As for you calling BS on my " unsupported generalization" that cost tends to be the most important priority among ST tire buyers...
Isn't that precisely what happened in the OPs case?

He was all concerned about the age of the tires... They offered him several solutions, to get better tires, or he could get a few bucks back in his wallet... He chose the money back over better tires.

I think my observation was spot on.

RIF, you oughta try it. Look at the original post. OP stated LT tires are not available in the size he needs. Later, he was given the opportunity to take a chance of ordering the tires again to see if he could get NEWER versions of the SAME tire, not BETTER tires. You make the arguement that someone went looking for shops to support their arguement for ST tires. Yet you make the incredible stretch that because someone didn't want to take the chance to order tires again and hope for newer ones that ALL poeple who buy ST tires care ONLY about price at the cost of all else. Ridiculous.

[Huntindog]

jerem0621 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:

Westcoasting wrote:

jfkmk wrote:


That's a ridiculous generalization you simply can't support. There's plenty of arguments for purchasing LT tires and there's plenty of arguments for purchasing ST tires. To make the generalization that because someone didn't make the same decision you did means they did so based solely on price shows, well, ignorance.

What are the arguments for purchasing ST tires? Low price is the only one I can see.

Some places flat will not mount a non ST tire on a trailer. Sometimes it's just a need to have new tires vs eventually finding a place that will mount the non ST tires.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Give that tired old argument a rest. You full well know that there are TTs that come from the factory with LT tires. Before the advent of the ST, that is what we used.

Yes I fully am aware of that. Hence, the word SOME. There are a minimum of three shops local to me that will not mount a non ST tire on a trailer. Would love to present them with a trailer with LT tires.

It's not an argument it's a fact, SOME shops will not install non ST tires on a trailer.

Jeramy... You actually took a survey of tire shops, when you had absolutely no intention of using LT tires?

I have searched your posts... You are totally against LT tires. Never once had a good thing to say about them. So it flys in the face of reason that you were trying to find someone to mount some for you.

In fact, logic tells me that IF and it's a big IF, you actually have run across some shops that won't do it.... It is because that is what you were trying to find.

I and many others have NEVER run into such a situation... Though I am sure it has happened. Many tire shop workers are not the brightest tools in the shed. ( heck most of the time, they cannot even get all my tires inflated to the same psi.) So anything is possible.

But what you describe is not a normal situation.. You are just using it as a poor argument to support your views
So I am calling BS on this,

As for you calling BS on my " unsupported generalization" that cost tends to be the most important priority among ST tire buyers...
Isn't that precisely what happened in the OPs case?

He was all concerned about the age of the tires... They offered him several solutions, to get better tires, or he could get a few bucks back in his wallet... He chose the money back over better tires.

I think my observation was spot on.

[jerem0621]

Huntindog wrote:

jerem0621 wrote:

Westcoasting wrote:

jfkmk wrote:


That's a ridiculous generalization you simply can't support. There's plenty of arguments for purchasing LT tires and there's plenty of arguments for purchasing ST tires. To make the generalization that because someone didn't make the same decision you did means they did so based solely on price shows, well, ignorance.

What are the arguments for purchasing ST tires? Low price is the only one I can see.

Some places flat will not mount a non ST tire on a trailer. Sometimes it's just a need to have new tires vs eventually finding a place that will mount the non ST tires.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Give that tired old argument a rest. You full well know that there are TTs that come from the factory with LT tires. Before the advent of the ST, that is what we used.

Yes I fully am aware of that. Hence, the word SOME. There are a minimum of three shops local to me that will not mount a non ST tire on a trailer. Would love to present them with a trailer with LT tires.

It's not an argument it's a fact, SOME shops will not install non ST tires on a trailer.

[Huntindog]

jerem0621 wrote:

Westcoasting wrote:

jfkmk wrote:


That's a ridiculous generalization you simply can't support. There's plenty of arguments for purchasing LT tires and there's plenty of arguments for purchasing ST tires. To make the generalization that because someone didn't make the same decision you did means they did so based solely on price shows, well, ignorance.

What are the arguments for purchasing ST tires? Low price is the only one I can see.

Some places flat will not mount a non ST tire on a trailer. Sometimes it's just a need to have new tires vs eventually finding a place that will mount the non ST tires.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Give that tired old argument a rest. You full well know that there are TTs that come from the factory with LT tires. Before the advent of the ST, that is what we used.

[Westcoasting]

jerem0621 wrote:

Westcoasting wrote:

jfkmk wrote:


That's a ridiculous generalization you simply can't support. There's plenty of arguments for purchasing LT tires and there's plenty of arguments for purchasing ST tires. To make the generalization that because someone didn't make the same decision you did means they did so based solely on price shows, well, ignorance.

What are the arguments for purchasing ST tires? Low price is the only one I can see.

Some places flat will not mount a non ST tire on a trailer. Sometimes it's just a need to have new tires vs eventually finding a place that will mount the non ST tires.

Thanks!

Gotcha! Thank you, never thought about that side.

Jeremiah

[jerem0621]

Westcoasting wrote:

jfkmk wrote:


That's a ridiculous generalization you simply can't support. There's plenty of arguments for purchasing LT tires and there's plenty of arguments for purchasing ST tires. To make the generalization that because someone didn't make the same decision you did means they did so based solely on price shows, well, ignorance.

What are the arguments for purchasing ST tires? Low price is the only one I can see.

Some places flat will not mount a non ST tire on a trailer. Sometimes it's just a need to have new tires vs eventually finding a place that will mount the non ST tires.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[Westcoasting]

jfkmk wrote:


That's a ridiculous generalization you simply can't support. There's plenty of arguments for purchasing LT tires and there's plenty of arguments for purchasing ST tires. To make the generalization that because someone didn't make the same decision you did means they did so based solely on price shows, well, ignorance.

What are the arguments for purchasing ST tires? Low price is the only one I can see.

[jake2250]

If you do some quick math,, they only refunded you for about one years tire time,, For me,, I just bought four new (made sure they were within six months) Maxxis tires from Les Shwab at $130 a tire.
Five years is equal to $26 a year if they warranty for the full five years.
So if they were to give you a refund for the previous two years they should have refunded $208.
But hey at least you got something! I had an issue with my last set of Maxxis only lasting four years, when I went for the warranty, it was determined (By local tire shop)that they were really closer to five years old and that I stored my trailer in a wet gravel area and they could not do anything for me!!

Now with that thrown out there,,, I went to my nearest Les Shwab store and ordered four more (i used the best two out of the previous four as spares).
Tires were all with in six months manufacture time so I was happy,, When questioned about the warranty,,, i was told that they would follow Maxxis warranty, But also that ST tires do not meet Road Hazard warranty as would a car or truck tire!! But knowing how good customer service is at Les Shwab I am not worried because they have always repaired and patched any tire I have purchased from them for free as long as I have a receipt.
Good luck with your Maxxis tires, I know I sure like mine. Not allot of choices out there for a good ST tire and NO i would not go to an LT..

[jmtandem]

This seems to be turning out real well. Both companies handled this excellent--couldn't have handled things better at this point. I called Summit Racing (place of purchase) and they gave me 3 options: return them for full refund, send them back and they would try again hopefully for a newer set, or credit me $100 for the fact that they are 2 years old. They were willing to pay shipping for whatever I decided to do. So I called Maxxis and they were also unbelievably helpful. The person explained getting their product from Thailand to USA is a challenge, big ships sit at ports for a long time (but not necessarily 2 years I assume?), and other factors. I didn't ask for the name of the person I was speaking with, but she said she would not hesitate to use them--even after I expressed my concern about ST tires (which this post wasn't intended to be a LT vs. ST debate), she said, "blowout with our Maxxis M8008,that is not normal." Maxxis changed their warranty because of the time delay from 3 to 5 years.
But to help all she could, she offered to contact Summit and their distributor (nobody buys directly from Maxxis, everyone has a distributor), and a distributor near me to coordinate getting mine returned and a set of 4 with at least a newer date to me. I questioned more about the heart of the problem, "Are these tires fit for use knowing they have been sitting around for 2 years or not?" She assured me, AS LONG as they were in a controlled environment, they should be ok. Well that's a lot of shipping expense/coordination by everyone involved, so I said if you (Maxxis) believe they are ok, then I will use them. I called Summit back, they said they would issue a $100 credit because of the age. As I type this I feel a little guilty about that, honestly, but I did not expect my new, dependable tires to start off 2 years old so I'll take the credit, put them on and hope for the best. And in the future I will explain to anyone looking at buying new tires, purchasing from Summit Racing worked out extremely well for me, very happy with how they handled my concern, and also Maxxis is a very good company to deal with. I was able to speak with the appropriate person (someone from the "tire research department" of trailer tires) and got exactly the information I needed and pleasant to speak with. Now I hope she was right, time will tell how these work out but I have a good feeling. I plan on updating this someday to explain how things go over time, we will see. Thanks for the replies.

Just because the folks on the phone that represented two companies were nice to you changes nothing about the old(er) tires you were sold. We all make different choices and mine would have been to send them back and get some with a better date code. What is $100 over five years of tire life? As far as ships in port, their costs don't stop when in port so the ship gets loaded as fast as possible and back out to sea, and then again unloaded as fast as possible to turn around and get to sea again to make money. That comment was all about smoke and mirrors on their part. What the warehouse did was make sure the older tires were sent out first and you were the recipient of that hoping perhaps that you would not notice or care. Summit apparently did not check date codes either before selling them to you. And you think Summit handled this excellent for you?

[coolbreeze01]

I think you did fine pickjare. Enjoy your new tires.

[jfkmk]

Huntindog wrote:


This thinking once again reinforces what I have said many times about the reason for ST tires... They are the most cost concious bunch of tire buyers out there. A low cost trumps all other factors in their decision making.

That's a ridiculous generalization you simply can't support. There's plenty of arguments for purchasing LT tires and there's plenty of arguments for purchasing ST tires. To make the generalization that because someone didn't make the same decision you did means they did so based solely on price shows, well, ignorance.