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Newbie w/ tow vehicle question...

cowgirly
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Hi all! I'm thinking of purchasing my first trailer (a vintage 1964 Aristocrat Mainliner) and am hoping for some advice from you knowledgeable folks:

I’m trying to get an idea of what kind of vehicle I’d need to tow this trailer. Seller said it's 2,000 pounds but I can't find anything online to corroborate this... any one have an idea?

And regarding a tow vehicle: currently I drive a 1997 Honda Civic 4-door manual transmission - and everything I read online advises against towing anything with this car. So I’d need to sell it and buy another - what kinds of older-model, reliable cars could easily handle towing it up the occasional mountain (I live in the NW), but still be an everyday around-town vehicle for the other 48 weeks of the year? I'm only looking to own one vehicle, mostly used for city driving with the occasional roadtrip. I'm also NOT looking to buy a pickup truck (I live in the rainy, wet Pacific NW where it seems like a bad choice for most of the year). So what are the specifications I should look for in a tow-worthy, city-livin' vehicle - engine size etc?

Many thanks for your advice!
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2012Coleman
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cowgirly wrote:
Awesome, y'all are great. Thanks for suggesting I have it weighed first - and where to do so - that's a smart move before I buy a new vehicle. I feel like I have a much better idea of how to go about this, now... am open to more ideas, and thanks for all!
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lanerd
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time2roll wrote:
If you are into retro maybe a 1964 Galaxie 500 or Chevrolet Impala 🙂


Either with the 427 would do nicely!

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Jebby14
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also given you are extremely new to this and trailers are not low maintenance I would look long and hard at buying something retro. Either new or old you better get used to the idea of turning wrenches or spending cash hand over fist.
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Jebby14
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the Jeep WJ (99-04) grand Cherokee would have pulled that all over like it wasent even there. they are all over for cheap if you can find a good one. Loved that jeep
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cowgirly
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Thanks again, all! I think the "bargain" trailer would end up being a "headache" trailer in no time 😉

westend
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Explorer
I'd suggest to browse Etrailer.com for handy installation videos.

Buying a new axle with brake assemblies included and wiring them into a 7 way plug is probably going to be lest costly than retrofitting brake assemblies onto a vintage trailer. Besides typical clearance issues, finding brake assemblies and drums that will bolt into an old axle will be frustrating.
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time2roll
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cowgirly wrote:
Off topic but since you're here... 🙂 There's another vintage trailer I'm considering, it's in the 1-2k pound range but doesn't have brakes installed. How much is it to get trailer brakes installed? This trailer is way less expensive but not sure about brakes...

Edit: or is it fairly straighforward (ie can I learn how to do it from YouTube)?
Look for a flange at each end of the axle to mount the drum backing plate or disk caliper.
Otherwise a new axle fully equipped is just a few $$ more.

check etrailer.com for parts and videos.

BadgerMcAdams
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It is going to depend on the trailer model. Some are so old, that there are no "brake kits" you can put in one or there is no way to install brakes period. Then there is the cost of the upgrade. No brake kit for it you say? Swap in a newer axle for the old one if possible...but is it worth it?

You may get the other trailer for cheap, but then have to spend 3 or 4 times (or more) what it cost you originally to upgrade it or make it tow-safe.

As for YouTube videos...Yes, there are videos on YouTube that can teach you almost anything, I use them all the time. But if a person has no general experience at mechanic type work (not saying you don't, so please don't take offense), I would NEVER recommend they go there and follow a video to repair or replace something that is SAFETY related in nature.

Sometimes, the people making the videos leave stuff out, because they assume that the people watching already have a basic idea of what is happening. I would hate for you (or someone else) to get injured because the person you watched install a brake package forgot an important step because they thought "Everyone" knows to do that step...

I wish you luck in your endeavors...Have fun!

cowgirly
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Explorer
Off topic but since you're here... 🙂 There's another vintage trailer I'm considering, it's in the 1-2k pound range but doesn't have brakes installed. How much is it to get trailer brakes installed? This trailer is way less expensive but not sure about brakes...

Edit: or is it fairly straighforward (ie can I learn how to do it from YouTube)?

cowgirly
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Explorer
Great input here, thank you all!

Yes, the trailer has brakes (important). The idea of using a Crown Victoria to tow made me laugh, as I grew up driving my parents' Grand Marquis 🙂 (life tends to come full-circle). I LOVE the idea of a Jeep, or a diesel Jetta is a surprising possibility....

GWolfe
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Some of the older Ford Crown Victorias or Chevrolet Caprices had some pretty decent tow ratings.
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Jebby14
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for what its worth the jeep in my sig was rated for 6500lb towing 1000 lb payload and I was just ever so slightly within those numbers. was not a great tow and I bought an f150. no more problem. my jeep was WAAAAY more capable than anything you are looking at.
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Johnnie333
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I don’t know this trailer, but a quick Google search turned this up, with is consistent with what you were told.

http://www.myvintagetraveltrailer.com/vintage-aristocrat-trailers/
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Better still the pictures show this a short and very low profile unit, so it is easily towable by several cars or most SUVs/vans. Gas mileage will be good compared to a more typical trailer.

The Chrysler 300 and Dodge Chargers are awesome for towing, the 3.6L used after 2011 is excellent, but not so good on gas as a Civic the other 48 weeks of course. They hold up well so you could buy an older one and for both you can buy off the shelf class III hitches which have plenty of capacity for this trailer. The only issue may be ground clearance, they are a low car. That depends on where you plan to take it camping.

Coming from a Civic I assume you want something very economical and therefore taking vans and SUVs off the list (many any of which would do for this):

A great smaller car used by many people here is a diesel Jetta, but the off the shelf hitches are only class I and so would be too strained without reinforcing. There are lot of people strengthening these to tow significantly larger trailers than the one you are looking at and the modifications would be simple, but that depends on their being a shop nearby will to do a bit of custom fab on a stock. It is also possible to buy hitches from Europe that are much stronger I’m told, in Europe car specifications are much more realistic and the Jetta is rated for towing 1,600 kilos, almost twice the dry weight of your trailer. There are other compatibility issues you may not want to get into unless mechanically inclined with a European hitch I’ve heard, I don’t know the details. Note the diesel is important for torque, if you go to a gas engine then you need to go to something in the 3.0 liter range for the mountains and that weight and at that point you may start looking at vans or a larger car. Some year Jetta’s have an independent rear axle, some do not. Independent rear suspension is much preferable for towing especially on a smaller vehicle.

Note you will find most cars are laughably underrated for tow capacity, based on marketing (not engineering) considerations, the real issue is getting a proper hitch setup which is very important with a car. Note there is one jurisdiction where there are legal implications for towing more than it states in the owner’s manual for these small trailers. You live close to that place, B.C. Canada, so I mention that just in case you plan to go there. With an old trailer always check the tires for cracks and age, check the brakes too (hope there are some!)

wcjeep
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Does something that old have trailer brakes? I think brakes and suspension are more important than power. Ford Explorer is cheaper to purchase. Toyota 4runner has a better transmission. 4runner is more difficult to find at low mileage and low price. It's difficult, not impossible. Recommend a transmission cooler for the tow vehicle. Car Complaints is easy to scan for vehicle probability. Nhtsa is more difficult to read.

For your trailer, an American 1/2ton truck would be my first choice. Mid size SUV with 5k tow rating would be my second choice. This allows extra capacity for braking. Nothing you buy will get the fuel mileage of your Honda Civic.


http://www.carcomplaints.com


https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchSafetyIssues?prodType=E


http://www.toyota-4runner.org