Ordered a 2015 F150 Lariat — almost

[mcsandman]

I ordered a 2015 F150 Lariat with 3.5 eco-boost and 3.73 locking rear axle for maximum payload and towing capacity. On a 2014, that would be 1,790 pounds and 11,300 pounds. Going to a 3.55 locking rear axle with eco-boost engine, the maximum payload is 1,790 pounds but only 9,800 pounds pulling capacity. The specs for 2015 have not been published, but everything I read says those payload/towing numbers will go up.

The trouble is, as per Ford's ordering guide, 2015 XLTs and Lariats cannot get the 3.73 locking axle without buying the Heavy Duty Payload package, which I am willing to buy except for this: The luxury groups (501, 502) are not an option for XLTs and Lariats if you buy the HD package. Me, I want maximum payload, maximum towing capacity, and luxury items, but Ford won't let me have it. So, right now my order is on hold

[brulaz]

AndrewM wrote:

brulaz wrote:

Apparently not.

The GVWRs are reduced as well so that lighter weight components can be used. For example, I understand that now the HD Payload option uses a 6 lug 4050# axle, not the 7 lug 4800# axle.

So HD Payload option still gives you increased payload, but depending upon how the weight savings are distributed between front and rear axles, it may be that the rear GAWR is now more of a limiting factor with HD Payload. We'll see.

Interesting. Where did you hear this? Haven't seen anything over at the F150 forums.

Somewhere in the discussion here: 2015 Order guide link

Page 38 of the guide has some GVWR and payloads.
Then somebody noted that the HD Payload wheel on p 23 has only 6 lugs.
There are no GAWRs in that guide. Just the 9.75" gear set for the HD Payload trucks. Guess we are just assuming that is the 4050# GAWR. Maybe 3500GAWR for non-HD Payload?

EDIT: the 2.7L EB has its own HD Payload package with the 9.75" gear set too. That will be an interesting truck.

[3oaks]

The issue I have is the last I knew, but I haven't checked recently, I could not get the HD payload package with a F150 XLT, Super Cab, 6-1/2' box. If that is still the case, there is no way I could get the 3.73 rear gear ratio like my 2009 has.

[mcsandman]

goducks10 wrote:
Does anyone have a link to 2015 Towing guides for the F150? That would clear up all the speculation.

You don't need guides. Just call Ford Marketing in Dearborn at 1-800-334-4375 and ask them two questions re: the 2015 XLT and Lariat:1) Can I get a 3.73 locking rear axle without buying the Heavy Duty Payload package? and 2) If I get the HD Payload option, can I also get the 501A mid-luxury option or the 502A luxury option?

To the above the answers are 'no' and 'no.' 2014 XLTs and Lariats are, or were, different. The answer to same questions above would be 'yes' and 'no.'

[monkey44]

Fastfwd75 wrote:

Sprink-Fitter wrote:
What garages will a f250 not fit in...

Mine

AND Mine!

We looked all over before we bought this TH, and measured every garage. Only ONE big enough for the truck, and we didn't buy that because too much 'fixing' for the price.

We finally bought a TH w/Two-car, so we have dual driveway, but my truck stays outside ... won't fit length - short by six inches or so unless I take of both front and rear bumpers. :S

Even the homes we looked at -- And we only wanted new, not an older TH with too many issues. So, we looked at homes too, and even there, the garage was too short. Seems like the 'new builders' stay as small as possible to meet the code, but don't give an inch extra.

I know, I know, build custom -- but that was not an option then, and still isn't -- we want a TH so we can leave it for months and its safe.

[goducks10]

Does anyone have a link to 2015 Towing guides for the F150? That would clear up all the speculation.

[mcsandman]

astraelraen wrote:
As far as I remember you couldn't get some of the luxury packages / options with the HD package in 2013 F150 when I bought mine.

I wanted the top luxury package with HIDs etc and was concerned with payload and settled on max tow only so I could get the luxury options.

Right, for 2014 F150 you could get maximum towing capacity by ordering a 3.73 rear end without buying the HD Payload option — not any more.

[AndrewM]

brulaz wrote:

Apparently not.

The GVWRs are reduced as well so that lighter weight components can be used. For example, I understand that now the HD Payload option uses a 6 lug 4050# axle, not the 7 lug 4800# axle.

So HD Payload option still gives you increased payload, but depending upon how the weight savings are distributed between front and rear axles, it may be that the rear GAWR is now more of a limiting factor with HD Payload. We'll see.

Interesting. Where did you hear this? Haven't seen anything over at the F150 forums.

[mcsurveyor]

God bless you guys that order a brand new model truck sight unseen. Someone has to do it!

It ain't going to be me. 🙂

[93Cobra2771]

Wow - very interesting. I guess they are allowing for the weight reduction to make up the difference.

My truck has 3:55s, which puts me at ~1400rpm at 60mph. Great for fuel economy, but not for towing. Hit any kind of hill and it will drop down into fifth.

I wonder if that will stay or change later down the road.

Heck, is the 4:11 even available any more? I assume it is not. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to hold out for a year or so before making the jump as they sort things out.

Of course, what do I know. Heck, they may pull better than you think with the reduced weight. ~700# is nothing to sneeze at. If it pulls as well with 3:55s as it used to with 3:73s (300-400rpm difference) then it's a win/win, especially when not pulling a load. Lower rpm on highway equals less fuel consumption (for the most part).

[mcsandman]

93Cobra2771 wrote:
Interesting regarding the rear gear and weight. In the current versions of the F150 you had two options for the 3:73.

3:73 electronic locking, which was available on pretty much any model
3:73 limited slip, which was only available on HD payload trucks

So you guys are saying the only 3:73 available is now on the HD payload model?

Yes! On 2014 models, a guy could buy a loaded-with-options XLT or Lariat and opt for a 3.73 locking rear end without having to buy the HD Payload option. And he'd need that 3.73 to get to maximum towing capacity. For the 2015 the only way to get 3.73 is within the HD option, but with the HD option you cannot — I repeat — cannot get the luxury options. (Ford Marketing, 800-334-4375)

[brulaz]

AndrewM wrote:

...

If we're talking about the 2014 F150 then I agree with you. The 2015s shed 400-700 lbs off the current models. That number "should" get added straight to payload.
...

Apparently not.

The GVWRs are reduced as well so that lighter weight components can be used. For example, I understand that now the HD Payload option uses a 6 lug 4050# axle, not the 7 lug 4800# axle.

So HD Payload option still gives you increased payload, but depending upon how the weight savings are distributed between front and rear axles, it may be that the rear GAWR is now more of a limiting factor with HD Payload. We'll see.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Fordlover wrote:
From what I've seen of the 2015 F-150 order guide, it looks like Ford has dropped the rear end gears numerically on nearly all the models. What used to be equipped with a 3.55 is now a 3.31. What used to be 3.73's are now 3.55's. I have a feeling this is related to the weight loss. There is also a very real possibility that the transmission has been modified enough to warrant the gear swap.

I seriously doubt Ford would risk neutering their sales leader. Before everyone threatens to take their toys and go home, We'll have to see how the truck performs. I'm going to make a wild guess that the new 2015 will outperform the outgoing model.

If this is true then their weight loss is a push and the guys predicting higher payload and towing capacity are going to be wrong. I'm going to make a guess that the 2.7 will not outperform the 2013 unless you order it with the 3.5. Unless you go with the lower trim package that is.

Don

[93Cobra2771]

Interesting regarding the rear gear and weight. In the current versions of the F150 you had two options for the 3:73.

3:73 electronic locking, which was available on pretty much any model
3:73 limited slip, which was only available on HD payload trucks

So you guys are saying the only 3:73 available is now on the HD payload model?

[Fordlover]

From what I've seen of the 2015 F-150 order guide, it looks like Ford has dropped the rear end gears numerically on nearly all the models. What used to be equipped with a 3.55 is now a 3.31. What used to be 3.73's are now 3.55's. I have a feeling this is related to the weight loss. There is also a very real possibility that the transmission has been modified enough to warrant the gear swap.

I seriously doubt Ford would risk neutering their sales leader. Before everyone threatens to take their toys and go home, We'll have to see how the truck performs. I'm going to make a wild guess that the new 2015 will outperform the outgoing model.

[astraelraen]

As far as I remember you couldn't get some of the luxury packages / options with the HD package in 2013 F150 when I bought mine.

I wanted the top luxury package with HIDs etc and was concerned with payload and settled on max tow only so I could get the luxury options.