Quick question on tow ratings

[hitchikerman]

When I weight my truck and trailer at the scale and if the ticket says front axle x amount of pounds and the rear axle says x amount of pounds if I combine these two weights that amount should not exceed the GVWR

[blt2ski]

MFL wrote:
^ Yep I agree! The OP had a QUICK QUESTION to ask, and hasn't returned since.

I haven't read all the pages, but I don't believe the civil suit guy has shown up YET??

Jerry gets the last word!

Marty

[MFL]

^ Yep I agree! The OP had a QUICK QUESTION to ask, and hasn't returned since.

I haven't read all the pages, but I don't believe the civil suit guy has shown up YET??

[Grit_dog]

This thread is an Olympic level gold medal thread jacking performance if I ever seen one…

[blt2ski]

mkirsch wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
BUT, BUT, BUT I can't load to that RATED number.

Acceleration and braking. When you accelerate the weight shifts to the rear axle. When you brake the weight shifts to the front axle. Loaded to GVWR, every time you stomp a pedal, you are overloading an axle.

Why not on larger commercial trucks? Because those trucks are not capable of the levels of acceleration and braking a pickup truck is.

Hit a pothole, speed bump, a dip in the road will overload ANY rigs axles etc

Only saving grace on class 8s, they typically have a 25k rating, legal to 17-20k lbs per bridge laws.

One can buy overloads per axle etc, even my argument can go out the door!

Marty

[valhalla360]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Here is the actual OFFICIAL SAE ratings. My truck is an AISIN 3500 DRW Crew Cab 4x4, all the numbers are there for MY specific truck. Read the last line that is specific to MY truck.

Any more thoughts gang???

That shows exactly what I was saying. There are two rear axle ratings and the gas option has a base weight a 1000lb lighter and that's not even the regular cab model.

[mkirsch]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
BUT, BUT, BUT I can't load to that RATED number.

Acceleration and braking. When you accelerate the weight shifts to the rear axle. When you brake the weight shifts to the front axle. Loaded to GVWR, every time you stomp a pedal, you are overloading an axle.

Why not on larger commercial trucks? Because those trucks are not capable of the levels of acceleration and braking a pickup truck is.

[Cummins12V98]

valhalla360 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
PLEASE tell my WHY they have a 9,750# SAE rating on my rear axle and I can't load to that??? I don't care if I am hauling WIDGETS, same thing.

Simple...that rating is for the rear axle. GVWR is a different rating.

It's like the newbie who says their unibody station wagon has a 6000lb tow rating but the hitch is limited to 300lb dead weight. Realistically they will never be able to pull 6000lb without exceeding the hitch limit.

BUT, BUT, BUT I can't load to that RATED number.

Yes.

Maybe if you had a gas regular cab, you might be able to do it. They only carry so many axles.

Here is the actual OFFICIAL SAE ratings. My truck is an AISIN 3500 DRW Crew Cab 4x4, all the numbers are there for MY specific truck. Read the last line that is specific to MY truck.

Any more thoughts gang???

[valhalla360]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
PLEASE tell my WHY they have a 9,750# SAE rating on my rear axle and I can't load to that??? I don't care if I am hauling WIDGETS, same thing.

Simple...that rating is for the rear axle. GVWR is a different rating.

It's like the newbie who says their unibody station wagon has a 6000lb tow rating but the hitch is limited to 300lb dead weight. Realistically they will never be able to pull 6000lb without exceeding the hitch limit.

BUT, BUT, BUT I can't load to that RATED number.

Yes.

Maybe if you had a gas regular cab, you might be able to do it. They only carry so many axles.

[JIMNLIN]

LDT mfg gvwr is just a marketing thing. As evident of all the different gvwr numbers for the same exact LDT.
GM 1500...5 gvwrs
GM 2500...16 gvwrs
GM3500 srw...5 gvwrs

F150...21 gvwrs
F250...5 gvwrs.
F350 srw...19 gvwrs
"""""DRW ..2 gvwrs.
Fords F350 can be had with a 10000 gvwr or a 11500 gvwr. Difference is just a gvwr tag.

Ram also has different gvwrs for the same truck.

Just a example why a LDT gvwr or the LDT gvwr based payload sticker isn't used for legal weights.

[Cummins12V98]

valhalla360 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
PLEASE tell my WHY they have a 9,750# SAE rating on my rear axle and I can't load to that??? I don't care if I am hauling WIDGETS, same thing.

Simple...that rating is for the rear axle. GVWR is a different rating.

It's like the newbie who says their unibody station wagon has a 6000lb tow rating but the hitch is limited to 300lb dead weight. Realistically they will never be able to pull 6000lb without exceeding the hitch limit.

BUT, BUT, BUT I can't load to that RATED number.

[Cummins12V98]

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
PLEASE tell my WHY they have a 9,750# SAE rating on my rear axle and I can't load to that??? I don't care if I am hauling WIDGETS, same thing.

WHY are you YELLING?
Lol

BECAUSE I heard YOU don't listen and I am yelling at YOU so YOU hear ME!!! :B

[valhalla360]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
PLEASE tell my WHY they have a 9,750# SAE rating on my rear axle and I can't load to that??? I don't care if I am hauling WIDGETS, same thing.

Simple...that rating is for the rear axle. GVWR is a different rating.

It's like the newbie who says their unibody station wagon has a 6000lb tow rating but the hitch is limited to 300lb dead weight. Realistically they will never be able to pull 6000lb without exceeding the hitch limit.

[Mike134]

Lantley wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Lantley wrote:
Taking the idea that GVW is a performance and manufacturer's rating only.
Does that mean GVWR doesn't matter and can be ignored?
I don't think so. All the ratings have some significance and should be factored into your decisions.

I never get a good answer on this one.

How can I load my rear axle to it's RAWR of 9,750# and not add a single pound to it's front axle weight of 5,250# and be within the 14k GVWR???

I got booted off IRV.NET over disagreeing with SmokyWren a monitor on this subject.

No one wants to tackle this one??????

If I understand correctly you can't load to the full rear axle rating without exceeding your GVWR.
Much in the same way you can't tow a 15k bumper pull RV without exceeding the hitch rating.
Sure you may be within one rating but exceed others. I'm not sure what's so complicated about that!

Not true. Last time I loaded my rear axle 200lbs more than it's 3800lb rating. That lifted more weight off the front axle so the trucks rating was never exceeded.

[Grit_dog]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
PLEASE tell my WHY they have a 9,750# SAE rating on my rear axle and I can't load to that??? I don't care if I am hauling WIDGETS, same thing.

WHY are you YELLING?
Lol