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bbaker2001
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Explorer
2015 Ram 3500 diesel has 4800 miles 7 months new.
dealer said I need to do oil change now.
2nd dealer says not yet, when should I
computer says 62 left
BB from California
2015 Ram 3500
2001 Cardinal
best friend is my wife ๐Ÿ™‚
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Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
FishOnOne wrote:
rhagfo wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
I did not make comments on my analysis on purpose. I wanted to see what others thought of the sample. My oil is AMZ/OIL 15-40 100 percent synthetic. I used the Fleetguard Stratapore filter. I think I was at least 8 mo on the oil. The oil is 10.4 TBN in the bottle.

I think I may just have a 15k personal service policy. Oil & filter, Air and fuel filters at every 15K. That's easy to remember.


Viscosity increased which could be the oil is starting to oxidize and the TAN number has probably went up as well. Copper is really high but I'm guessing that maybe coming from the oil cooler. Iron is still high even after a short drain interval from the factory oil. These are the attributes I would review and consider for my next OCI.


:h

Fish, not sure how you determined that Cummins's Viscosity increased? He only posted a single sample without any previous samples. It is my multiple samples on my second report that has a history of several changes. I currently change at 10K which works out to about 12 months.


Look at the amzoil product data sheet for viscosity. Also you don't need multiple analysis to form a trend to review viscosity like u would wear metals.


Fish, for not liking AMZ/OIL you sure know a lot about it. ๐Ÿ˜‰
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
rhagfo wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
I did not make comments on my analysis on purpose. I wanted to see what others thought of the sample. My oil is AMZ/OIL 15-40 100 percent synthetic. I used the Fleetguard Stratapore filter. I think I was at least 8 mo on the oil. The oil is 10.4 TBN in the bottle.

I think I may just have a 15k personal service policy. Oil & filter, Air and fuel filters at every 15K. That's easy to remember.


Viscosity increased which could be the oil is starting to oxidize and the TAN number has probably went up as well. Copper is really high but I'm guessing that maybe coming from the oil cooler. Iron is still high even after a short drain interval from the factory oil. These are the attributes I would review and consider for my next OCI.


:h

Fish, not sure how you determined that Cummins's Viscosity increased? He only posted a single sample without any previous samples. It is my multiple samples on my second report that has a history of several changes. I currently change at 10K which works out to about 12 months.


Look at the amzoil product data sheet for viscosity. Also you don't need multiple analysis to form a trend to review viscosity like u would wear metals.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
I did not make comments on my analysis on purpose. I wanted to see what others thought of the sample. My oil is AMZ/OIL 15-40 100 percent synthetic. I used the Fleetguard Stratapore filter. I think I was at least 8 mo on the oil. The oil is 10.4 TBN in the bottle.

I think I may just have a 15k personal service policy. Oil & filter, Air and fuel filters at every 15K. That's easy to remember.


Viscosity increased which could be the oil is starting to oxidize and the TAN number has probably went up as well. Copper is really high but I'm guessing that maybe coming from the oil cooler. Iron is still high even after a short drain interval from the factory oil. These are the attributes I would review and consider for my next OCI.


:h

Fish, not sure how you determined that Cummins's Viscosity increased? He only posted a single sample without any previous samples. It is my multiple samples on my second report that has a history of several changes. I currently change at 10K which works out to about 12 months.
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
Cummins12V98 wrote:
I did not make comments on my analysis on purpose. I wanted to see what others thought of the sample. My oil is AMZ/OIL 15-40 100 percent synthetic. I used the Fleetguard Stratapore filter. I think I was at least 8 mo on the oil. The oil is 10.4 TBN in the bottle.

I think I may just have a 15k personal service policy. Oil & filter, Air and fuel filters at every 15K. That's easy to remember.


Viscosity increased which could be the oil is starting to oxidize and the TAN number has probably went up as well. Copper is really high but I'm guessing that maybe coming from the oil cooler. Iron is still high even after a short drain interval from the factory oil. These are the attributes I would review and consider for my next OCI.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
I did not make comments on my analysis on purpose. I wanted to see what others thought of the sample. My oil is AMZ/OIL 15-40 100 percent synthetic. I used the Fleetguard Stratapore filter. I think I was at least 8 mo on the oil. The oil is 10.4 TBN in the bottle.

I think I may just have a 15k personal service policy. Oil & filter, Air and fuel filters at every 15K. That's easy to remember.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
FishOnOne wrote:
rhagfo wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
The wife and I drove from Elkhart, IN today to Fort Wayne, IN to Blackstone headquarters. Maggie was nice enough to give us the tour. And once back in the actual lab the guys were very nice about explaining what each machine did. It's actually smaller business with I would guess 12 or so employees in the building.

We were there this morning and received the report via email late this afternoon. I think I was put on the rush list as a courtesy.

Here is my sample. Second oil change first at around 2,900 miles and second around 15,200. Oil had 12,297 miles on it with no oil added between changes.






Wow, TBN at 5.7 sure looks like you go an easy 15K between changes!
Less than .5 percent fuel delusion, not bad for a emissions vehicle.


rhagfo
The question is not being able to go 15k miles on a OCI, but to extend FCA's 6 month max policy via oil analysis.

Cummins,
I'm surprised Blackstone didn't recommend in writing to go further on your next OCI. Wonder why?


Likely because he didn't check the box requesting "are you interested in extended oil changes". :B
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
rhagfo wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
The wife and I drove from Elkhart, IN today to Fort Wayne, IN to Blackstone headquarters. Maggie was nice enough to give us the tour. And once back in the actual lab the guys were very nice about explaining what each machine did. It's actually smaller business with I would guess 12 or so employees in the building.

We were there this morning and received the report via email late this afternoon. I think I was put on the rush list as a courtesy.

Here is my sample. Second oil change first at around 2,900 miles and second around 15,200. Oil had 12,297 miles on it with no oil added between changes.





Wow, TBN at 5.7 sure looks like you go an easy 15K between changes!
Less than .5 percent fuel delusion, not bad for a emissions vehicle.


rhagfo
The question is not being able to go 15k miles on a OCI, but to extend FCA's 6 month max policy via oil analysis.

Cummins,
I'm surprised Blackstone didn't recommend in writing to go further on your next OCI. Wonder why?
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
Cummins12V98 wrote:
The wife and I drove from Elkhart, IN today to Fort Wayne, IN to Blackstone headquarters. Maggie was nice enough to give us the tour. And once back in the actual lab the guys were very nice about explaining what each machine did. It's actually smaller business with I would guess 12 or so employees in the building.

We were there this morning and received the report via email late this afternoon. I think I was put on the rush list as a courtesy.

Here is my sample. Second oil change first at around 2,900 miles and second around 15,200. Oil had 12,297 miles on it with no oil added between changes.





Wow, TBN at 5.7 sure looks like you go an easy 15K between changes!
Less than .5 percent fuel delusion, not bad for a emissions vehicle.
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
The wife and I drove from Elkhart, IN today to Fort Wayne, IN to Blackstone headquarters. Maggie was nice enough to give us the tour. And once back in the actual lab the guys were very nice about explaining what each machine did. It's actually smaller business with I would guess 12 or so employees in the building.

We were there this morning and received the report via email late this afternoon. I think I was put on the rush list as a courtesy.

Here is my sample. Second oil change first at around 2,900 miles and second around 15,200. Oil had 12,297 miles on it with no oil added between changes.



2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"BTW... cummins will be by soon to tell you how bad the DELO brand was in his cummins. I just finished running a load of DELO 10W30 and I'm sure it was fine."

I did not say it was BAD, I told what the inside of my timing cover looked like after the first 55K of the engine was ran on Delo 15-40. It had black streaks, I did not say it was bad. I did tell how spotless my dad's engine was at about 125K using AMZ/OIL from 6K on.

Hey Fish did you notice my poll on the RV haulers and HotShotters???????


Yep....
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
"BTW... cummins will be by soon to tell you how bad the DELO brand was in his cummins. I just finished running a load of DELO 10W30 and I'm sure it was fine."

I did not say it was BAD, I told what the inside of my timing cover looked like after the first 55K of the engine was ran on Delo 15-40. It had black streaks, I did not say it was bad. I did tell how spotless my dad's engine was at about 125K using AMZ/OIL from 6K on.

Hey Fish did you notice my poll on the RV haulers and HotShotters???????
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
FishOnOne wrote:
I just finished an oil change minutes ago with about 7k miles on the oil and the oil was coal black. I don't have to worry about the time since my truck gets driven on a daily basis.

Also changed the air filter with about ~32k miles on it.

Just a side note my last oil change was with Delo 10W30 to see if I could measure an improved fuel economy over the Shell Rotella 5W40 I've been using to date. What I found was there was no fuel economy change so I went back to the 5W40.


100 Percent normal for a diesel, you should know that!
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
rhagfo wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
bbaker2001 wrote:
so if Blackstone gives OK, does that mean you can go linger than 6 months. will you have to ship it to them each time, and what is the cost


The Chrysler guys said if I had oil analysis to back up the oil was good that going the full 15K will be fine with going over the 6mo. They said if you don't have any documentation and consistently go over 6 mo and have an oil related claim they most likely deny warranty.

I think the analysis and cost with the TBN result is around $27. They do recognize Blackstock as a reputable oil analyzer.

I did call them today and I will be taking the sample directly to them hopefully tomorrow.


So what condemnation levels on this Blackstone oil analysis do these FCA guys claim is acceptable (i.e. fuel percent, insolubles, TBN, flashpoint, soot, TAN, viscosity, etc...etc..)?

Bottom line if they don't back their condemnation levels in writing, then their statement is not even worth passing along heresay rumors and is downright irresponsible.


Blackstone tells you if your oil is suitable for continued use or not. They will tell you how much longer you should ben able to go if the oil still has life.

For those that don't know. When you send in a sample you tell them what engine you have, year, length of time or hours on oil, oil quantity added if any. Plus other info, the bottom line is it's a very engine specific analysis. They also want to know what oil and maybe filter used.


Blackstone will keep records and give great reports.


This is one of the first oil Changes on my 2001.




This is the most current on the 2001.



Yes those are good looking reports. In our Non DPF Power Strokes and Cummins trucks we run John Deere 50 Plus and change the oil once/year.

BTW... cummins will be by soon to tell you how bad the DELO brand was in his cummins. I just finished running a load of DELO 10W30 and I'm sure it was fine.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
I just finished an oil change minutes ago with about 7k miles on the oil and the oil was coal black (which is typical). I don't have to worry about the time since my truck gets driven on a daily basis.

Also changed the air filter with about ~32k miles on it.

Just a side note my last oil change was with Delo 10W30 to see if I could measure an improved fuel economy over the Shell Rotella 5W40 I've been using to date. What I found was there was no fuel economy change so I went back to the 5W40.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"