Real weights of an arctic Fox 1140?

[2dedge]

Does anyone have any documented ready to use weights? I have a 2008 crew cab duramax dually I know I am going to be "over" the 11,400 gvwr but how far is the real question?

[jimh406]

brholt wrote:
But the F350's are actually better at hauling, at least if you care about the official GVWR. ... In the case of Ford, it cost you almost 1,000 lbs.

Obviously, some of us disagree that the F350 is a better TC hauler (see the recent thread.) 😉 It does have higher rated payload capacity in pickup model. By your chart by 100 lbs which isn't significant. Also, that year F450 model didn't have 19.5s.

In any case, I think I've shown the true engine/transmission weight difference has to be less than 500 according to their chart. Also, true that the GVWR can be more.

It would make more sense to just have a FAWR and RAWR, but the manufacturers don't seem to be listening to us. 🙂 Well, my F450 only lists FAWR and RAWR in the door. As others have pointed out, there seems to be more in play besides actual maximums.

[brholt]

Sort of on topic. Here is a snapshot of Fords Truck Camper weight loading guide (2013). It's 140 pages and shows how truck options effect the weight of the truck and the center of gravity for all of the truck configurations.



Note the weight savings of Getting rid of the DEF tank.

[brholt]

Note on the chart the GVWR's vary depending on the configuration. That makes it a bit harder to isolate the "weight" of the diesel. The configuration of the trucks change too. Diesels have hydroboast brake systems, gas trucks don't get it until you go to DRW.

If you think about it it makes perfect sense. Towing, the GCWR is important as you need to drag the combined weight up the hills. Diesels are great for towing with their hp and torque. Hauling, the GVWR is all important. Here the weight of the diesel is a big disadvantage.

Note on the same chart the F450. It's a towing beast. But the F350's are actually better at hauling, at least if you care about the official GVWR.

Bottom line. If you want to carry a heavy truck camper (like an AF 1140 this thread) and you plan on using the most common configuration, 4x4 CC, getting a diesel will greatly diminish your ability to do so within the GVWR. In the case of Ford, it cost you almost 1,000 lbs.

[jimh406]

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
I guess it depends on how much of mamma's spaghetti the diesel ate that day..

I guess or if they were on a diet for the less than 500 case. 😉 I'm wondering what they explanation is. 🙂 Seems like a sales team built the chart.

[SoCalDesertRid1]

brholt wrote:

SugarHillCTD wrote:
Where does this figure of a diesel engine weighing 1000# more than a gas engine come from?

Popular myth.....

Here is the 2013 Ford Camper Guide:



Note the last F350 line for the 4x4 DRW long bed 14,000 GVWR CC:
Gas: 5,969 lb
Diesel: 5,019 lb

Payload penalty for the diesel: 950 lbs. (so I cheated a little and just said 1,000 lbs). It's more than the weight of just the engine block - it's all of the added stuff too. DEF tank and fluid, pumps and plumbing. Two batteries instead of one. And so on.

From the chart, it looks like sometimes the diesel adds 700 lbs, sometimes it adds 750 lbs, sometimes it adds 800 lbs, and sometimes it adds 950 lbs.

I guess it depends on how much of mamma's spaghetti the diesel ate that day..

[jimh406]

brholt, the weight of the engine isn't the only thing to consider. The difference in weight two lines above is less than 500 lbs. 😉

[brholt]

SugarHillCTD wrote:
Where does this figure of a diesel engine weighing 1000# more than a gas engine come from?

Popular myth.....

Here is the 2013 Ford Camper Guide:



Note the last F350 line for the 4x4 DRW long bed 14,000 GVWR CC:
Gas: 5,969 lb
Diesel: 5,019 lb

Payload penalty for the diesel: 950 lbs. (so I cheated a little and just said 1,000 lbs). It's more than the weight of just the engine block - it's all of the added stuff too. DEF tank and fluid, pumps and plumbing. Two batteries instead of one. And so on.

[Vinsil]

SugarHillCTD wrote:
Where does this figure of a diesel engine weighing 1000# more than a gas engine come from?

Popular myth.....

Got me but it's not really that far off...


6.7 Cummins is 1190 lbs

6.4 Hemi is 490 lbs.....

That is close at 700 lbs.

[SugarHillCTD]

Where does this figure of a diesel engine weighing 1000# more than a gas engine come from?

Popular myth.....

[brholt]

Here is my sticker for a 14,000 GVWR F350 CC DRW 6.2 L in Lariet trim.



This is two of us, our stuff, a dog, and full fluids. For a diesel add 1,000 points to this weight. I expect a AF1140 might weight a little more as it has more storage and you can probably get more stuff in it.

[2BLAZERS]

My 2011 Arctic Fox 1150 (pretty much the same with slight interior changes) is about 5,600# loaded up to camp with some water 1/2 full. This includes me, 90# dog, wife, and kid all in the truck.

Front axle 5,250
Rear axle 9,350

Total 14,600.


Empty weights are with just me.
Front 5,250
Rear 3,500

Total 8,750

I subtracted some for the wife, kid, and dog.

And this is why I went from my 2011 dually to my 2016 dually. For the 14k gvw rating. I would need to run with little to no water on board to stay at 14k perfectly. The truck does great with it.

I did give serious consideration to going the Ram-5500 and flatbed route but I daily drive my dually as a CPA and business owner.

if I hook up my enclosed trailer and toys I basically put the rear axle at 10,200k.

Thanks to living in Oregon I can run over the scales anytime they are closed and check weights per axle 🙂

[KKELLER14K]

I have had an 1140 and an 1150 both are over 5k loaded...a 350 dually to haul it at least...how much over?...I wouldn't push over 1k GVW...but then there is other considerations....tires, your travel habits..are you pulling something?....on and on

[mkirsch]

deltabravo wrote:

Trackrig wrote:
On further checking, NADA says your curb weight is 6401#. For a diesel dully that seems awfully light. It also says you have a max payload of 3,499# and a GVWR of 9,900#.

Curb weight is way light. Mine weighs in at 7800 (see pic above)

I think those weights are for something other than a D/A CC dually.
The GVWR is way low too.

My GVWR is 11,400 or 11,200.... I can't remember which.

Yes, those are the specs for an SRW gas regular cab truck.

[Noel]

Our departed 2000 AF 1150 was about 5100# when loaded up.

[SoCalDesertRid1]

pcoplin wrote:
My buddy has that camper on a Dodge dually, and he said his real axle weighs 9400 lbs. That seems almost impossible to me. 🙂

That doesn't sound out of line. If the unloaded rear axle weight was say 3800 lbs and the loaded camper put 5600 lbs on the rear axle, that comes to 9400 lbs.