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Suburban with 6.0L and 6 speed tranny?

captnjack
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Have a Rockwood Roo 233S. Fully dry weight about 4500 so I'll probably be pulling almost 5500 pounds loaded. Currently own 2007 Lincoln Mark LT with 5.4L, 4 speed tranny, factory towing package and 3.73 axle. It's rated for 8600 pounds. Well I just did a run from NYC area to Vermont and did not at all like the feel of it on uphills. Not talking about major mountains here, just interstate. Really felt like the truck was struggling to find a nice balance between engine and tranny.
Thinking about the Suburban with 6 liter and 6 speed. Any body have any experience with it?
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captnjack
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BigToe wrote:
In the time it takes to type "you can do a search and read my postings/opinion" yonder... couldn't the essence of that opinion just as quickly be summarized to assist the OP?

IMHO, while the Suburban 6/6 will be an improvement over your current 5.4/4, it may not be as dramatically different as you might be expecting. The high revving will still be required to make the grade. I think you will see more of an improvement in the interior room for your family (if you have one), going from a crew cab to a station wagon.


I believe you are correct about the level of difference being small. May go with an 8.1 liter Suburban/Yukon. I just like the idea of having a little something extra available if needed. Don't really want to commit to diesel.
We do like the extra interior space of a wagon although we don't really NEED it.

BigToe
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In the time it takes to type "you can do a search and read my postings/opinion" yonder... couldn't the essence of that opinion just as quickly be summarized to assist the OP?

IMHO, while the Suburban 6/6 will be an improvement over your current 5.4/4, it may not be as dramatically different as you might be expecting. The high revving will still be required to make the grade. I think you will see more of an improvement in the interior room for your family (if you have one), going from a crew cab to a station wagon.

APT
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ktosv wrote:
I know I am going to loose some speed, so I let it gradually slow down. I normally tow around 65MPH, most of the time it will drop to 60MPH and on the biggest hills I might end up at 55MPH at the top.


Same here. I tow @ 65-70mph, let the speed drop up hills in 5th gear to about 60mph, then I downshift to 4th, about 3000rpm. On every hill in Michigan it either holds 60mph or accelerates back up to 65mph.

However, sometimes I do accelerate uphill, like 2-lane highways with occasional passing lanes.
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You can read my postings on the 2500 Suburban.

ktosv
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captnjack wrote:
How do you do in mountains?


Haven't been to the mountains yet with it. However in the hills of northern Michigan it pulls fine. I don't mind letting the engine rev, but I don't think that I have ever had to run much over 3000RPM to make it up any of the hills I have encountered.

As Taco said "I DON'T TRY TO ACCELERATE UP A GRADE." I know I am going to loose some speed, so I let it gradually slow down. I normally tow around 65MPH, most of the time it will drop to 60MPH and on the biggest hills I might end up at 55MPH at the top.
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kw_00
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When I run the hills with a gas engine, I tend to drop a gear sometimes just when I start to slow, or when I just start to hit the hill. The engine runs to its rated power band and hauls from there just fine. Yep it spins up some but I dont lose the speed. For me I had to experiment where in the speed/gear/rpm was the proper time to downshift without losing speed much. I will say that in going to the 6 speed from a 4 speed, has been easier. I will drop from 5th to 4th and run around 3k rpm or so and this truck pulls really strong. The more speeds you have the better your experience will or can be. Diesel has the advantage of turbo, which really helps out. I have owned both, like most have and just stuck with gas for personel reasons. The 5.4 I believe came with 5 speeds before being replaced by the 5.0. My BIL has an 10 F250 with the 5.4 and 5 speeds, its really a nice combo as well. He pulls around 8K and I have never heard him complain about the power. Hope this helps, good luck on your purchase if you choose to do so. I will tell you that for me the new 6.0 6 speed GM is not an 8.1 but no slouch either. It has alot of power when you tap into it and are not afraid to do so. I am happy with the towing ability of this truck. Yes I looked back into diesel, but choose to stay with gas and have not regretted it.
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carringb is absolutely correct. That weight should easily be pulled by the 5.4L, but you will need to downshift and bring the rpm's up. If it is shifting too much, just manually bring it down to the lower gear as needed. I found when pulling in the mountains in the East with my wagon, that when I did occasionally need to go down to 2nd gear, it was better to downshift manually rather than try to get it to do it with the gas pedal because I would need to be to the floor to get it to automatically downshift on its own and then I would let up a little and then it would shift back to 3rd and lose speed. If I manually dropped to 2nd, I could use whatever throttle I wanted and not worry about shifting up and down. A little noisy, but it pulled all the hills fine. My trailer weighs about 5,600 lbs loaded (per a CAT scale) and my wagon pulled it just fine with 250hp and 300 lb ft of torque for over 8k miles. We've circled NY state, been thru PA, been to the Smokey Mountains in TN, etc. from MI. No issues, and that is with less power than your 5.4L. Of course the 6.0L and 6-speed in the Suburban would be better, but you should be fine with what you have, you just need to learn how to use it in a way that makes you happy.
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carringb
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The 6.0 is still a small block. It makes its power up high.

Easy solution to the gear-hunting problem: Manually select a lower gear. The 5.4L will pull that weight no problem. High RPMs won't hurt a thing.

The 6.0 is no big block, so if you are expecting it to pull and never downshift, you will be disappointed.
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APT
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I have only towed my TT in Michigan. We have hills, but no mountains. I am pleased with performance coming from a 2003 F-150 5.4L/3.73. I cruise in 5th gear at 2200-2500rpm (60-70mph) with occasional downshift to 4th gear and 3000rpm. The only reason why I see north of 3000rpm is when I want to accelerate, and it does, pulling strong to about 5600rpm.
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captnjack
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APT wrote:
He doesn't like the shifting, running 3000-4000rpm up some hills. Keep in mind his prior TV had a big block, 8.1L with more torque at lower engine speed.

6.0L is a small block with peak torque in the 4200rpm range. So if you need all it's power, it has to get into that range. IMHO, the 6-spd really helps accomplish this. Coming from a Navigator with 5.4L/4-spd, you'll be impressed. Comng fro ma big block, you may or may not be.


Thanks for the response. I don't much like the shifting and higher revving either, but unless I go diesel (which seems a little like overkill for me, my trailer and the predominant use of vehicle) it looks like I'll have to get use to it to some extent.

Do you like your performance in the mountains, assuming you go to the mountains?

APT
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He doesn't like the shifting, running 3000-4000rpm up some hills. Keep in mind his prior TV had a big block, 8.1L with more torque at lower engine speed.

6.0L is a small block with peak torque in the 4200rpm range. So if you need all it's power, it has to get into that range. IMHO, the 6-spd really helps accomplish this. Coming from a Navigator with 5.4L/4-spd, you'll be impressed. Comng fro ma big block, you may or may not be.
A & A parents of DD 2005, DS1 2007, DS2 2009
2011 Suburban 2500 6.0L 3.73 pulling 2011 Heartland North Trail 28BRS
2017 Subaru Outback 3.6R
2x 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV (Gray and Black Twins)

captnjack
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Dick_B wrote:
For previous posts on this subject search this Forum for `Suburban' then search the results for `6.0' and read on including my opinion after two seasons.


Took your advice and found some relevant stuff, but nothing from you.

Would you mind giving a quick synopsis of your experiences?

APT
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Love my 3/4 ton Burb. 23SS would be a piece of cake for one. You'll likely need a longer drop shank.
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2011 Suburban 2500 6.0L 3.73 pulling 2011 Heartland North Trail 28BRS
2017 Subaru Outback 3.6R
2x 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EUV (Gray and Black Twins)

Dick_B
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For previous posts on this subject search this Forum for `Suburban' then search the results for `6.0' and read on including my opinion after two seasons.
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