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plasticmaster
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I've been camping in a 30amp TT for 8 years and never heard of a surge protector for my camper. I'm getting ready to get a new TT that's 50 amps and dealer advised me to get a surge protector. What's he talking about and is it really necessary? I mainly camp at state parks that only have 30 amp available except for a couple of trips each year where 50 amp is available.
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mikebte
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plasticmaster wrote:
Okay, another really dumb question, but i have to ask. If the pedestal were wired wrong or had a bad ground, wouldn't the person who was on that site just hours before you have reported it to campground manager? I'm just trying to understand all of this.


In some cases yes, in places that flood a bunch someone has to hook up first.
Never know what happens while the site is under water.

I had bad rain one night, woke up with water past my wheels ( I was in the lake, scary )
I had my cord off the ground, but water can cause crazy shorts under ground and at the box.

I unhooked and drove off as fast as I could, only about 3 inches of water.

RollandB
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Bumpyroad wrote:
plasticmaster wrote:
So let's say you have a good surge protector that also protects from too low and too high voltage. Now, let's say you have a waterfront reservation at Bahia Honda in the Florida Keys and when you get there and plug in, there's a low voltage issue and the protector won't connect. Very likely, the campground is full and most certainly another waterfront site is not available. What do you do in this situation when every other camper is plugged in and running the AC full blast?


bypass the SP and limit use to non "sensitive" appliances, and alternate use of generator to keep cool.
bumpy


What Bumpy mentioned is exactly what we did last summer. Temps were in the low 90's, a lot of AC in use and our EMS tripped from low voltage. We were in a shaded area, so changed the fridge to gas only, no AC and ran both Fantastic Fans and opened windows. During the day we used the fans to pull in air and push it out the roof. When the temps went down, we reversed the fans to pull in the cool air.
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westom
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plasticmaster wrote:
If the pedestal were wired wrong or had a bad ground, wouldn't the person who was on that site just hours before you have reported it to campground manager?

How do you know the safety ground on your wall receptacle is working or connected? You do not until someone is shocked or harmed.

Bumpyroad
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plasticmaster wrote:
Okay, another really dumb question, but i have to ask. If the pedestal were wired wrong or had a bad ground, wouldn't the person who was on that site just hours before you have reported it to campground manager? I'm just trying to understand all of this.


I thought that a lot of these issues accumulate the damage, like low voltage on a compressor, problems develop over time
BUMPY

Lynnmor
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plasticmaster wrote:
Okay, another really dumb question, but i have to ask. If the pedestal were wired wrong or had a bad ground, wouldn't the person who was on that site just hours before you have reported it to campground manager?


I think you will find that most people don't even have so much as a voltage meter. I was in a nice campground where the voltage dropped to 99, but nobody "had a problem."

plasticmaster
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Okay, another really dumb question, but i have to ask. If the pedestal were wired wrong or had a bad ground, wouldn't the person who was on that site just hours before you have reported it to campground manager? I'm just trying to understand all of this.

myredracer
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plasticmaster wrote:
So let's say you have a good surge protector that also protects from too low and too high voltage. Now, let's say you have a waterfront reservation at Bahia Honda in the Florida Keys and when you get there and plug in, there's a low voltage issue and the protector won't connect. Very likely, the campground is full and most certainly another waterfront site is not available. What do you do in this situation when every other camper is plugged in and running the AC full blast?


Another option besides a generator would be a Hughes or Franks autoformer to boost the voltage. Am thinking about getting one but they're not cheap.

Low voltage is one of those things kinda like say, a critical illness that you hear about a lot and think it will never happen to you, and then whammy, it happens to you out of the blue one day. Have run into low voltage a number of times, but never as bad as at one Thousand Trails last year. Pulled into a site after a tiring trip late in the day only to find that the voltage was 106 before we even turned anything on. Not good. Got the "maintenance" dude (unlicensed electrician) to check it out and he adamantly insisted it was perfectly fine because he had just replaced the recepts. in the pedestal. Grrr. No choice but to dry camp overnight (and we're not dry campers). Pffft. Got up early next morning (no power, no coffee, no breakfast) to find another site that the "maintenance" dude suggested only to find it was equally bad. Ended up at a 3rd site in an area of 50 amps and that was good. If that wasn't bad enough, the day we got up to leave, the entire CG had no water because some RV-er broke a faucet at a pedestal (again, no morning coffee).

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plasticmaster wrote:
So let's say you have a good surge protector that also protects from too low and too high voltage. Now, let's say you have a waterfront reservation at Bahia Honda in the Florida Keys and when you get there and plug in, there's a low voltage issue and the protector won't connect. Very likely, the campground is full and most certainly another waterfront site is not available. What do you do in this situation when every other camper is plugged in and running the AC full blast?


In that case I would probably hook up without the surge gard, and just not run my air conditioner. In my case, the air con is the most likely thing to be potentially damaged by low voltage.

Bumpyroad
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plasticmaster wrote:
So let's say you have a good surge protector that also protects from too low and too high voltage. Now, let's say you have a waterfront reservation at Bahia Honda in the Florida Keys and when you get there and plug in, there's a low voltage issue and the protector won't connect. Very likely, the campground is full and most certainly another waterfront site is not available. What do you do in this situation when every other camper is plugged in and running the AC full blast?


bypass the SP and limit use to non "sensitive" appliances, and alternate use of generator to keep cool.
bumpy

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plasticmaster wrote:
So let's say you have a good surge protector that also protects from too low and too high voltage. Now, let's say you have a waterfront reservation at Bahia Honda in the Florida Keys and when you get there and plug in, there's a low voltage issue and the protector won't connect. Very likely, the campground is full and most certainly another waterfront site is not available. What do you do in this situation when every other camper is plugged in and running the AC full blast?


Camp without electricity or if that's not acceptable to you go get a generator. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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plasticmaster
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So let's say you have a good surge protector that also protects from too low and too high voltage. Now, let's say you have a waterfront reservation at Bahia Honda in the Florida Keys and when you get there and plug in, there's a low voltage issue and the protector won't connect. Very likely, the campground is full and most certainly another waterfront site is not available. What do you do in this situation when every other camper is plugged in and running the AC full blast?

Bumpyroad
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Tequila wrote:

That device pictured is not a protector if its what i think it is. It will only protect against momentary spikes, not high or low voltage conditions which are what can do the damage. I am a wagon master for RV cravaans. We advise all our customers to buy either a surge guard or progressive industries protector. We shoudl have been more detailed, 3 of them this trip made the sme mistake you have, & bought what you pictured (it cost about $90 didnt it?). All 3 did damage to their rigs.

A blown convertor board
a blown satelite reciver
a blown digital clock

In future we will be more specific.


good catch
bumpy

Tequila
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DutchmenSport wrote:
For the OP:

If you don't want to get a hard wired protector, you can always use the in-line (portable) one and keep it inside the camper. I had a 30 foot cord from this junction box. I simply cut it, attached a new plug on a much shorter cord, and then plugged in the protector. I stuck the other end of the protector out the hole of the trailer. No one is the wiser it's there, I don't forget it or loose it or misplace it this way, and it's always hooked up.

The remainder of the 30 foot cord, I purchased the opposite end plug and simply use it for an extension cord, or use it to plug in outside the camper. This way, if the protector ever gets zapped, or I needed to replace it, it's a very easy switch. Just unplug and move on. When I sell the camper (someday), I'll simply unplug the protector and keep it, then plug back in the original wire. No extra wiring to deal with. You can do the same with the 50 amp version too if you don't want to hard wire the permanent version in your camper.







That device pictured is not a protector if its what i think it is. It will only protect against momentary spikes, not high or low voltage conditions which are what can do the damage. I am a wagon master for RV cravaans. We advise all our customers to buy either a surge guard or progressive industries protector. We shoudl have been more detailed, 3 of them this trip made the sme mistake you have, & bought what you pictured (it cost about $90 didnt it?). All 3 did damage to their rigs.

A blown convertor board
a blown satelite reciver
a blown digital clock

In future we will be more specific.

Tequila
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I use one all the time. There are 2 main products "surge guard" & Progressive industries. You need not only surge protection you need protection against too high or too low voltages. If you are not paying at least $250 you are not buying the right one. In Mexico they are essential, power is not reliable and I am currently leading a caravan where somebody blew the capacitors off their convertor. I also use a voltage regulator. I have never seen these for sale in the US, but they sell them at Home Depots in Mexico. They lower high voltage and raise low voltage to safe levels.