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The ticking time bomb under the hood

Buzzcut1
Nomad II
Nomad II
Two of my friends had the Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pump grenade in their 2012 F350s with the 6.7 liter Diesel. It took out the entire fuel system and injectors.

Both trucks had over 130,000 miles on them. One got Ford to pay for part of the repair the other didn't. One was out $7000 and the other $16,000. I had 118,000 miles on mine so I opted to not wait and had mine replaced for $2700 parts a labor plus tax. Apparently the Bosch pump needs more lubricity than US ULSD provides. Oh and the other diesel engine s use the same pump. Do a Google search, there are even class action lawsuits in the works.

Anyways back on point. The repair only takes a day, one dealer local to me wanted to take 5 days at twice the labor charge while one 30 miles away did in in one day for half the price so shop around.

Here is my parts invoice as a heads up

2011 F350 6.7L Diesel 4x4 CrewCab longbed Dually, 2019 Lance 1062, Torqlift Talons, Fast Guns, upper and lower Stable Loads, Super Hitch, 48" Super Truss, Airlift loadlifter 5000 extreme airbags
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DWeikert
Explorer II
Explorer II
Boatycall wrote:
DWeikert wrote:
Please delete, double post.
Don't delete this, I think we need to discuss this further--
We've talked about how doubles are more stable than singles. And, you can hold a heavier TC with doubles. I'm all for doubles.
You take only a minimal hit for fuel mileage with doubles.
But, with double posts, means now you have to buy 2 sets of posts when it's time to replace them.

Thoughts?

In either case, don't exceed the limits on the post's sticker.
Dan
2008 Chevy D/A 2500HD ECSB
2010 Northstar 8.5 Adventurer

Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
There is lot of levels of fun here.
Somebody makes alarming thread, becouse diesel pump might need replacement at 160,000 miles (that's like 20 years for me).
Other post that his 50 mpg hybrid is better than 60 mpg diesel (with more power to pair).
So enjoy the humor.

Boatycall
Explorer
Explorer
Homeless by Choice wrote:
Boatycall wrote:
DWeikert wrote:
Please delete, double post.
Don't delete this, I think we need to discuss this further--
We've talked about how doubles are more stable than singles. And, you can hold a heavier TC with doubles. I'm all for doubles.
You take only a minimal hit for fuel mileage with doubles.
But, with double posts, means now you have to buy 2 sets of posts when it's time to replace them.
Thoughts?

??? WHAT ????

You're missing the fun in this.... :B
'15 F450, 30k Superhitch, 48" Supertruss, 19.5's, Torklift Fast Guns
'12 Eagle Cap 1160, 800watts solar, Tristar MPPT, Magnum Hybrid 3k Inverter
'15 Wells Cargo 24' Race Trailer, 600 watts Solar, TriStar MPPT, Xantrex 2kw inverter
'17 Can Am X3 XDS Turbo

Homeless_by_Cho
Explorer
Explorer
Boatycall wrote:
DWeikert wrote:
Please delete, double post.
Don't delete this, I think we need to discuss this further--
We've talked about how doubles are more stable than singles. And, you can hold a heavier TC with doubles. I'm all for doubles.
You take only a minimal hit for fuel mileage with doubles.
But, with double posts, means now you have to buy 2 sets of posts when it's time to replace them.

Thoughts?



??? WHAT ????
Homeless by Choice
FULL TIMER since 2012
2015 Chevy 3500, Duramax, 4X4, DRW, Crew cab, Long bed
2013 Northern Lite 8'11"Q Sportsman truck camper
2015 Polaris RZR Side by Side

Boatycall
Explorer
Explorer
DWeikert wrote:
Please delete, double post.
Don't delete this, I think we need to discuss this further--
We've talked about how doubles are more stable than singles. And, you can hold a heavier TC with doubles. I'm all for doubles.
You take only a minimal hit for fuel mileage with doubles.
But, with double posts, means now you have to buy 2 sets of posts when it's time to replace them.

Thoughts?
'15 F450, 30k Superhitch, 48" Supertruss, 19.5's, Torklift Fast Guns
'12 Eagle Cap 1160, 800watts solar, Tristar MPPT, Magnum Hybrid 3k Inverter
'15 Wells Cargo 24' Race Trailer, 600 watts Solar, TriStar MPPT, Xantrex 2kw inverter
'17 Can Am X3 XDS Turbo

DWeikert
Explorer II
Explorer II
Please delete, double post.
Dan
2008 Chevy D/A 2500HD ECSB
2010 Northstar 8.5 Adventurer

DWeikert
Explorer II
Explorer II
Kayteg1 wrote:
I think you fail to comprehend that hybrid technology has its limits and usually works only in stop & go traffic.
In highway cruising the batteries and electric motors are dead weight, unless you come to short grades, where electric motors can give you limited boost.
And no, batteries dying in regenerative charging are not a myth.
All cars with it seldom pass 3- years on batteries and AGM batteries for those cars are not cheap. I think you misunderstood regenerative charging for hybrid charging. Hybrid use multi-thousand dollars batteries, who are different animals.
Come to forum more often >>> you might learn something :C


Do you have ANY hybrid experience at all??? I prefer to learn actual facts, not some uninformed individual's beliefs that have been proven wrong over a decade ago.

Sorry for feeding the tr0ll folks. Also sorry for taking the thread off topic.
Dan
2008 Chevy D/A 2500HD ECSB
2010 Northstar 8.5 Adventurer

Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
I think you fail to comprehend that hybrid technology has its limits and usually works only in stop & go traffic.
In highway cruising the batteries and electric motors are dead weight, unless you come to short grades, where electric motors can give you limited boost.
And no, batteries dying in regenerative charging are not a myth.
All cars with it seldom pass 3- years on batteries and AGM batteries for those cars are not cheap. I think you misunderstood regenerative charging for hybrid charging. Hybrid use multi-thousand dollars batteries, who are different animals.
Come to forum more often >>> you might learn something :C

DWeikert
Explorer II
Explorer II
Kayteg1 wrote:
DWeikert wrote:

I used to think that about hybrids, until I bought one. I once thought a Prius was basically just a 1.8L engine driven vehicle during extended highway travel. I couldn't have been more wrong. I can easily get 50+ mpg driving highway speeds. You don't actually have to touch the brakes to send a charge back into the batteries. Every time you go down a hill or allow the vehicle to slow due to traffic is sends a charge back into the battery assisting when you go back up the next hill or accelerate once traffic picks up again.

IMHO a diesel based hybrid would be the best of both worlds. Just wish someone would make one...

PS: It seems only the LML Duramax (2011-2016) has the CP4 pump.


My 5 years old Mercedes diesel makes 60 mpg at highway speed without messing with hybrid technology.
It does have recouping charge as well, what for minimal fuel/emission savings is killing batteries in 2-3 years. That all with almost 200 HP that will burn wide tires on dry asphalt.
MB does diesel hybrid, but small electric engine IMHO is made more for publicity or emission stunt, than for real use.
Adding batteries and electric motor to diesel will cost more in dead weight that will benefit from fuel saving.


Why is it you fail to comprehend adding hybrid technology to any engine will increase mileage? If you get 60 MPG now (doubtful), adding batteries and electric motor would take you to 90+ mpg. What does a typical 1.8L gas compact get? Maybe 30-35 highway? Yet a 1.8L hybrid easily gets 50+

The "killing batteries in 2-3 years" is a myth proven false a decade ago when the early Prius models were hitting 10 years on the road with their factory batteries and still going strong.

If burning wide tires on dry asphalt trips your trigger, you need to get a Tesla.

Now you know why I don't come here often anymore. It's been a good run. See ya.
Dan
2008 Chevy D/A 2500HD ECSB
2010 Northstar 8.5 Adventurer

Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
Boatycall wrote:
Kayteg1 wrote:
Ford is having very lousy support site and I can't get full info about my truck warranty (due to site errors), but from my memory, Ford is giving 3 years basic warranty, but 7 years/100k miles powertrain warranty.
So this is not something average TC owner has to worry, does it?
Commercial users are different story.

Mine is a '15, with 72k. I found the warranty info, 36 mo bumper to bumper, 5yr/60k full powertrain, 5yr/100k motor-only. I'm literally days way from it expiring. Called to inquire at two different dealers to extend motor-only warranty, never got called back.

Nobody wants to work hard for smaller commision.
My "camper special" truck is going to end 3-years full warranty with about 30k miles and the only trouble I had was TPMS.
So 5 years on engine is what I care about.

Kayteg1
Explorer II
Explorer II
DWeikert wrote:

I used to think that about hybrids, until I bought one. I once thought a Prius was basically just a 1.8L engine driven vehicle during extended highway travel. I couldn't have been more wrong. I can easily get 50+ mpg driving highway speeds. You don't actually have to touch the brakes to send a charge back into the batteries. Every time you go down a hill or allow the vehicle to slow due to traffic is sends a charge back into the battery assisting when you go back up the next hill or accelerate once traffic picks up again.

IMHO a diesel based hybrid would be the best of both worlds. Just wish someone would make one...

PS: It seems only the LML Duramax (2011-2016) has the CP4 pump.


My 5 years old Mercedes diesel makes 60 mpg at highway speed without messing with hybrid technology.
It does have recouping charge as well, what for minimal fuel/emission savings is killing batteries in 2-3 years. That all with almost 200 HP that will burn wide tires on dry asphalt.
MB does diesel hybrid, but small electric engine IMHO is made more for publicity or emission stunt, than for real use.
Adding batteries and electric motor to diesel will cost more in dead weight that will benefit from fuel saving.

thomas201
Explorer
Explorer
Others on this forum set me to Flood Ford in RI. https://www.floodfordesp.com/

Just search on line for a while for the best price, it was Flood, when I bought mine. You do not need to buy from you local dealers.

Boatycall
Explorer
Explorer
Kayteg1 wrote:
Ford is having very lousy support site and I can't get full info about my truck warranty (due to site errors), but from my memory, Ford is giving 3 years basic warranty, but 7 years/100k miles powertrain warranty.
So this is not something average TC owner has to worry, does it?
Commercial users are different story.

Mine is a '15, with 72k. I found the warranty info, 36 mo bumper to bumper, 5yr/60k full powertrain, 5yr/100k motor-only. I'm literally days way from it expiring. Called to inquire at two different dealers to extend motor-only warranty, never got called back.
'15 F450, 30k Superhitch, 48" Supertruss, 19.5's, Torklift Fast Guns
'12 Eagle Cap 1160, 800watts solar, Tristar MPPT, Magnum Hybrid 3k Inverter
'15 Wells Cargo 24' Race Trailer, 600 watts Solar, TriStar MPPT, Xantrex 2kw inverter
'17 Can Am X3 XDS Turbo

towpro
Explorer
Explorer
GM

2011-present GM Sierra trucks with 6.6L V8 Duramax LML engines
2010-2011 GM Savana vans with diesel engines
Certain GM Sierra diesel trucks with RPO ZW9 chassis cabs or pickup box delete

Chevrolet

2011-present Chevy 3500 Silverado trucks with 6.6L V8 Duramax LML engines
2010-2011 Chevy Express vans with diesel engines

Ford

2011-present Ford pickups with 6.7L V8 PowerStroke diesel engines

Dodge

2014-present Dodge Ram pickups with 3.0L diesel engines

Jeep

2014-present Jeep Grand Cherokees with 3.0L diesel engines
2022 Ford F150
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Buzzcut1
Nomad II
Nomad II
bighatnohorse wrote:
Buzzcut1 wrote:
Two of my friends had the Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pump grenade in their 2012 F350s with the 6.7 liter Diesel. It took out the entire fuel system and injectors.

Both trucks had over 130,000 miles on them. . . .


It would be a terrible coincidence if those two friends got their diesel from the same source . . .and if they did not use a lubricity additive.

Lubricity agents are supposed to be added to diesel before the pump. But that's not always reliable;
....according to Power Service, www.powerservice.com, an additive manufacturer that operates its own testing lab, “approximately 40% of the ‘ready for sale’ fuels obtained in North America during 2010 did not meet the 520 HFRR


In other words, your diesel supplier may not be supplying good quality diesel.
Informative article here:
https://www.proboat.com/2018/04/diesel-fuel-additives-part-2-lubricity-facts-and-fictions/


I am the only one that has been adding a lubricity additive since the switch to ULSD. Let's just say that they are adding it now.
2011 F350 6.7L Diesel 4x4 CrewCab longbed Dually, 2019 Lance 1062, Torqlift Talons, Fast Guns, upper and lower Stable Loads, Super Hitch, 48" Super Truss, Airlift loadlifter 5000 extreme airbags