This is a reason why Pop Ups aren't selling......

[Mike_Up]

as well as they use to. It's because of how expensive they are now especially compared to travel trailers.



2015 Jay Series 1209SC

The options for this floorplan are listed below.

Customer Value Package (Mandatory) $817.00

Bath/shower with hard walls $2,129.00

(2) Bed mat heaters $262.00

Stereo w/ outside speakers $187.00

Powered roof vent $210.00

16,000-BTU furnace w/ auto ignition $397.00

$17,608 MSRP

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2015 Jay Flight SLX 184BH

The options for this floorplan are listed below.

Customer Value Package (Mandatory) $1,199.00

Roof-mounted 13,500-BTU A/C $412.00

$14,647 MSRP
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264BHW | 2015 JAY FLIGHT SLX

The options for this floorplan are listed below.

Customer Value Package (Mandatory) $1,199.00

Spare tire $180.00

$18,463 MSRP
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[RobertRyan]

Ryanincc wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Budrock wrote:
With the price of PU increasing dramatically, quality decreasing, coupled with more competitive alternatives, I don't see a bright future for those of us that enjoy like this style of camping

Except in Australia, where there appear to be new manufacturers coming along

True, lots of manufacturers, but in Australia's case, they are quite expensive. You can't get around Aussie-land in a typical US RV whether TT or pup. They have to have the really awesome off-road suspension and road clearance. They sure look cool though. Although, none that I have seen utilize bunk pull outs on both ends.

You certainly can get around Australia with a US or European RV, the problem is when you go to places that have few paved roads Expensive is relative and is not a hindrance for new people coming into the market
A Bailey English Caravan being towed by a car, around Australia

[Ryanincc]

RobertRyan wrote:

Budrock wrote:
With the price of PU increasing dramatically, quality decreasing, coupled with more competitive alternatives, I don't see a bright future for those of us that enjoy like this style of camping

Except in Australia, where there appear to be new manufacturers coming along

True, lots of manufacturers, but in Australia's case, they are quite expensive. You can't get around Aussie-land in a typical US RV whether TT or pup. They have to have the really awesome off-road suspension and road clearance. They sure look cool though. Although, none that I have seen utilize bunk pull outs on both ends.

[rbpru]

I have a 90’s vintage Palomino, quite a PUP in its day. It has a queen on one end, a double bed on the other and fold-downs for 4 more.

It has a fridge, hand water pump, two electrical outlets and a stove.

When you compare it to the features available on a PUP today, it is no wonder they cost close to a TT.

Of course a PUP to TT it is not a good comparison. They are worlds apart as far as “camping” is concerned.

[RobertRyan]

Budrock wrote:
With the price of PU increasing dramatically, quality decreasing, coupled with more competitive alternatives, I don't see a bright future for those of us that enjoy like this style of camping

Except in Australia, where there appear to be new manufacturers coming along
New Camper builder Forefront Details of Camper

[4runnerguy]

Why are PUP prices up? Lack of competition. We're down to just a very few manufacturers.

Why are sales down? There has been a negative or flat real wage growth for the bottom 90%+ of the households in this country. These are the people who used to buy PUPs, but see their wage growth unable to keep up with inflation. If one has to give up something, a new RV would certainly be a place to start. Real wage growth for the top 5-10% has grown which explains why high end RV's continue to sell well.

[rickm]

Personally, i think this is a dumb post..... there are those who prefer pop-ups, and those who prefer TT. Both have advantages over the other. So, it comes down to what u enjoy.

[John___Angela]

Probably the biggest reason I see people buying popups is that they don't take a large vehicle to tow them. Even people with small vehicles can enjoy the lifestyle. When we feel like a few days at the lake we take our tiny setup.







All the comforts of home including fridge, freezer and porta potty. 🙂 Al run from solar and a small AGM battery. (well, not the porta potty) 🙂

[tatest]

Tlauden wrote:
Yea, but you can still use a smaller tow vehicle, isn't that one advantage?

Also, on a completely unrelated side note, what's up with these "mandatory" packages, if the equipment is mandatory why not just list it as standard equipment? :h

Because they want to fool the customers looking for a low towing weight, as well as low price. "Empty Weight" in the sales brochure does not include weight of any optional (even if mandatory) or dealer installed equipment ( think battery, spare tire, LPG tanks). Prices, at least, do not appear in the brochures, though Jayco puts them on the web site. Most other manufacturers leave it to the dealer to tell you prices.

[BudRock]

The PU market has obviously been turn on it's head in the last 15 years. Sales are down 80% and major players left the market. Coleman / Fleetwood are out of the PU when they previously dominated sales. We are basically down to 2 or three manufactures where there used be scores of options.

How much do you think the perceived quality of PU construction has had on this sales decline? I believe at one time Coleman, which had about 70% of the market, was considered well built. Of course that changed with the roof problems. From what I see here many people do not view the quality of any of today's PU to be very good. I know I don't.

I am a long long time PU owner. In the last year I bought my fourth PU which is also the fourth brand I have owned. I find that it suits my camping preferences better than other options for many of the same reasons others have posted on this board. Over the years I think the quality of PUs has gone down hill. Yes, they have many more convenience features and they sure do look prettier, but when you get a new one you have to correct and finish construction! There after it's a constant battle of upkeep and repair that should not be be required on a new well maintained trailer.

With the price of PU increasing dramatically, quality decreasing, coupled with more competitive alternatives, I don't see a bright future for those of us that enjoy like this style of camping.

[rockhillmanor]

I wanted a PU as my first RV. I looked at used and was SHOCKED at what they wanted for a simple model used pop up. So I took a trip to a dealership and was knocked over in SHOCK what a new one cost! Those used sellers were just trying to get some or if any of their money back.:B

They are not a little overpriced they are hugely OVERPRICED for what they are and what they are made of.

I bet if you could find some data on sales over the last ten twenty years that it just has to be falling. I rarely see them in CG's anymore when years ago they just about equaled the amount of TT's in any given CG.

Size, weight, tow vehicle needed is just NOT an argument anymore with the introduction of the ultra light small TT's into the market.

You can pick up a REAL nice ultra light TT with ALL the amenities of a full size trailer/MH for about half the price of a PU.

IMHO, JMHO they have priced themselves out of the market. The prices will have to come down or they will be out of business in years to come.

[Ryanincc]

I think the pup price is a little inflated in the OP. You can buy a brand new off road capable 2015 large High Wall Pop Up with a large toy hauler deck for less than 15K. But that is dealer price, not MSRP. You can also get brand new small popups at Camping World for asking price 7K. I bet there are even cheaper places to buy one brand new.

[SCVJeff]

Mike Up wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:
It's kind of funny the OP choose a PUP with a slideout to make his point but none of the TT's had a slideout. Take away the slideout in his PUP and the argument goes awry.

Because a tent slide out isn't the same as a true full height w/ceiling TT slide out. Besides, even with a slide out, the room in the Pop Up still doesn't even equal the 264BH.

That's his point.. They're not in the same category.

[Mike_Up]

nickthehunter wrote:
It's kind of funny the OP choose a PUP with a slideout to make his point but none of the TT's had a slideout. Take away the slideout in his PUP and the argument goes awry.

Because a tent slide out isn't the same as a true full height w/ceiling TT slide out. Besides, even with a slide out, the room in the Pop Up still doesn't even equal the 264BH.

[nickthehunter]

It's kind of funny the OP choose a PUP with a slideout to make his point but none of the TT's had a slideout. Take away the slideout in his PUP and the argument goes awry.

[Biker1mike]

I agree pop-up prices have gone crazy. The trick is to let somebody else buy it new. They find out how much work is involved and how little inside space there is. The used price is a HUGE drop. I love my pup. Got it for a steal as the owners went upscale to a fiver.
Even the grand kid prefers the pup to the older hardside.

BTW: The class C did what was required when we needed it.