Towing a small pop up with a CRV

RobertRyan wrote:

Mike Up wrote:
While I'm sure the Baily will appeal to some here and the Jay Flight will appeal to some there, there's a reason why makers sell their design where they live, that because that's what is wanted.

More have mentioned they like the European style in the US. US interiors are negative all round. Darker wood is not considered upscale,,here or in Europe. US Trailers have reputation for poor build quality,poor use of space, (Jay Flight certainly ticks those boxes.,)that only adds to the very negative appeal

know I would not even consider the Baily at any price even though it's a rip off at ~$40K USA dollars,

Even relatively cheaper prices, still makes ithe Jayflight unsaleable in Europe

Instead of arguing that the other is incorrect, why don't we just agree to disagree as I (or most sane people :)) will never see your way of thinking. :)

On a side note though, more expensive darker cherry wood is always more desirable than cheap pine unless you want a soft wood for whittling. ;)

Mike Up wrote:
While I'm sure the Baily will appeal to some here and the Jay Flight will appeal to some there, there's a reason why makers sell their design where they live, that because that's what is wanted.

More have mentioned they like the European style in the US. US interiors are negative all round. Darker wood is not considered upscale,,here or in Europe. US Trailers have reputation for poor build quality,poor use of space, (Jay Flight certainly ticks those boxes.,)that only adds to the very negative appeal

know I would not even consider the Baily at any price even though it's a rip off at ~$40K USA dollars,

Even relatively cheaper prices, still makes ithe Jayflight unsaleable in Europe

RobertRyan wrote:

Mike Up wrote:
Funny how tastes change country to country. That interior reminds me of a wooden play kitchen set for children with rounded corners, none decorative hardware, and flat light colored wood.

To me, that looks like a basic interior (if not cramped) next to the more luxury look of my 22' and 29' Jay Flight interiors.

Different tastes for sure

The Jayflight, would be totally unsaleable here and In Europe., looks incredibly basic , dated and cluttered.Although the European, interior would not as sell here that well , as the all wood and beige look not a seller.

Like I said, that Baily looks like a pre-schoolers dream but not for most American adults. The flat, none decorative wood, no routered edged designs, and cheap pine look wood, isn't what many like here.

The sofa on top of sofa is cluttered with little leg room, and stuffed stove in the corner is more clutter on top of clutter. There's better designs for smaller floorplans for "Americans".

Obviously the Simple, basic European look is catered to those overseas while the upscale darker wood variety is catered to those here in America.

While I'm sure the Baily will appeal to some here and the Jay Flight will appeal to some there, there's a reason why makers sell their design where they live, that because that's what is wanted.

I know I would not even consider the Baily at any price even though it's a rip off at ~$40K USA dollars, from the single axle to the Swiss cheese looking frame, just not my bag baby. :)

gheicher wrote:
People will try just about anything and most of the time its just a matter of degree of safety an/or how much strain one puts on the tow vehicle I've seen a "strong man" pull a train car with his teeth, but not very far. I'm sure in the pic below the Smart-Car added a tranny cooler and the campground was only a level mile away.

They get a tow vehicle appropriate for the need. Putting strain on any tow vehicle, is not acceptable

Mike Up wrote:
Funny how tastes change country to country. That interior reminds me of a wooden play kitchen set for children with rounded corners, none decorative hardware, and flat light colored wood.

To me, that looks like a basic interior (if not cramped) next to the more luxury look of my 22' and 29' Jay Flight interiors.

Different tastes for sure

The Jayflight, would be totally unsaleable here and In Europe., looks incredibly basic , dated and cluttered.Although the European, interior would not as sell here that well , as the all wood and beige look not a seller.

People will try just about anything and most of the time its just a matter of degree of safety an/or how much strain one puts on the tow vehicle I've seen a "strong man" pull a train car with his teeth, but not very far. I'm sure in the pic below the Smart-Car added a tranny cooler and the campground was only a level mile away.

Funny how tastes change country to country. That interior reminds me of a wooden play kitchen set for children with rounded corners, none decorative hardware, and flat light colored wood.

To me, that looks like a basic interior (if not cramped) next to the more luxury look of my 22' and 29' Jay Flight interiors.

Different tastes for sure.


Yours


My 22'




My 29'

double

Jerem0621 wrote:
Plus Europeans do more with less... Think Casita and maybe the Visa and you are getting close to a European single axle Caravan...Most North American RVers would be dis-satisfied with a European caravan.

Funny thing is that Europeans pull horse trailers and such with their cars too.

No there single axle Caravans are not like Casitas.
Europeans would be dissatisfied with the interiors of North American Travel Trailers, which are very basic indeed
This is a 19-20ft Baily Unicorn, typical of a British version of a European Caravan

Adam H wrote:
Nope. Read the tow capacities listed for the SAME vehicle with the SAME power train sold outside the US, read the specs for yourself. The campers I saw were traveling along at about 60mph or so. I can't imagine the 10% rule changes outside North America but these weren't Casitas, the were 20 foot tandem axle TTs. I guess pictures are in order next time I'm there.

Traveling 1-2 hours or 8-9 hours makes no difference if you can't safely tow something.

Adam

Yes you will see them get up to 25ft lightweight Caravans. Problem is snaking , they try to keep in check with friction hitches.
They do not travel far generally with a Caravan, although some have done roughly 1500 miles across Europe