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โSep-04-2015 04:09 PM
Samsonsworld wrote:Camper G wrote:
My trailers "unladen" weight is 4600 and the gvwr is 6k. GVWR..NOT GCVWR! Read my post. That's 2400lbs.
โSep-04-2015 02:00 PM
itguy08 wrote:
Google "Medium Duty Truck" and you'll see they are not a F150, F250, F350. They are your box truck chassis.
โSep-04-2015 01:56 PM
โSep-04-2015 11:12 AM
IdaD wrote:
I'm going to need a source on your 150k lifespan figure or it's made up too.
A heavy duty truck isn't over-designed, but it is designed to haul more and more often (duty cycle). A half ton isn't under-designed, but it is designed with a different purpose. I don't doubt for a second that a heavy duty truck would hold up better at max GCVWR than a half ton at max GCVWR, especially a diesel HD truck.
You could have the exact same discussion about a 2500/3500 versus a chassis cab 4500/5500. Different class, different purpose. This is not a complicated concept.
1st of all, 150, 250, vast majority of 350 (non dualies) are not Medium Duty trucks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_truck
Light duty trucks have payloads less than 4,000 lbs.
The best I've got is the Ecboost torture info here where they say they tested it to 150k:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/01/what-the-inside-of-a-torture-tested-ecoboost-v-6-looks-like.html
You also need to look no further than the service schedule in your own truck - notice where it stops. That is generally the design life.
โSep-04-2015 11:00 AM
itguy08 wrote:IdaD wrote:
It isn't some made up thing at all. But believe whatever makes you feel better about the truck in your garage if you want.
No source = made up. There is no mythical over-designing to a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Period. They are ll designed to do what they are rated for and have an acceptable lifespan. That is usually 150k in these trucks.
โSep-04-2015 05:10 AM
Camper G wrote:
My trailers "unladen" weight is 4600 and the gvwr is 6k. GVWR..NOT GCVWR! Read my post. That's 2400lbs.
โSep-04-2015 05:02 AM
Camper G wrote:RandACampin wrote:Camper G wrote:
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STOP SHOPPING TTs BY DRY WEIGHTS! They are useless numbers. What is the campers gvwr your looking at? If it's that heavy "dry" i think you'll be at the trucks limits when loaded and I'd not want to work a brand new truck that hard. ....just my .02
This is very bad advice. Going by the CVWR is useless, there are numerous trailers out there that have HUGE CCC for example the Keystone Summerland 2980BHGS. Dry weight 6328 CCC of 3187+715 on the tongue for a total of 10230, witch would exceed the OPs specs. The "accepted norm" for loading 1000-1500 lbs, putting the realistic weight at 7328-7828, well within the OPs limit, Your way...not so much.
So if you went strictly BY GVWR you would rule out a lot of choices because NOBODY except Lucille Ball is going to carry 3K plus pounds of cargo.
Better to use realistic numbers than the GVWR in all cases.
Says you! I think your response is "very bad advice " unless you scale the truck and trailer you don't know what the real numbers are. Much better to error on the side of caution then go by the dry weight when trying to make a decision. I can't tell you how many threads I've read over the past 9yrs here where folks ask "my dry weight is 7000 (example) and my tow rating is 7400 (again example) can i tow this? The answer is almost always no!!
That's not even close to the OPs situation nor the example I gave and you know it.
You do what works for you and I'll do the same. My trailers "unladen" weight is 4600 and the gvwr is 6k. GVWR..NOT GCVWR! Read my post. That's 2400lbs.
Are you sure about that. Maybe that's why you have problems understanding.
Loaded for a trip with all the gear inside my weight was 5340 lbs so I'm less than 700 lbs from my gvwr. So tell me how "useless" that information is again?
You bought a trailer with low CCC. As I said and provided an example of there are many lightweight trailers with huge CCC. If you can't see that strictly going by GVWR would rule out a light trailer with a bog GVR ell then you can't be helped.
If someone is (would be) that close on numbers that your going to make an issue out of this then I'd tell folks they need more truck in my opinion.
[COLOR=]I agree, if someone is close on their number they need either a bigger truck or a smaller trailer,
I agree, if they are that close then yes, they either need a bigger truck or smaller trailer. However your blanket statement of "unloaded weight is useless" is completely wrong. There are many trailers out there with huge CCC that ill never be achieved. Math, and real orld experiences prove it.
however blanket statement like yours "unloaded weights are useless" are totally incorrect, math, and real world experiences prove it, and they don't help the inexperienced RVer.
Utilizing dry weights when trailer shopping can get in-experienced folks in trouble! But that's just my opinion! I've seen it here many times in posts.
โSep-04-2015 03:02 AM
Slick87SS wrote:Driveway Camp First!!!
Final decision is an Aspen Trail 2810bhs with dry weight of 6475 towed by my 2015 Silverado double cab 5.3 V8. Pulled it home yesterday and I feel it did well but the trip was fairly short from the dealership. Heading out this weekend for our inaugural trip and will update you all again after my that. I'm a newbie so this aught to be comical. Stay tuned lol! Thanks for the info you all provided in helping me make a decision.
P. S. Any tips for a newb will be greatly appreciated ????
โSep-04-2015 01:25 AM
RandACampin wrote:Camper G wrote:
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STOP SHOPPING TTs BY DRY WEIGHTS! They are useless numbers. What is the campers gvwr your looking at? If it's that heavy "dry" i think you'll be at the trucks limits when loaded and I'd not want to work a brand new truck that hard. ....just my .02
This is very bad advice. Going by the CVWR is useless, there are numerous trailers out there that have HUGE CCC for example the Keystone Summerland 2980BHGS. Dry weight 6328 CCC of 3187+715 on the tongue for a total of 10230, witch would exceed the OPs specs. The "accepted norm" for loading 1000-1500 lbs, putting the realistic weight at 7328-7828, well within the OPs limit, Your way...not so much.
So if you went strictly BY GVWR you would rule out a lot of choices because NOBODY except Lucille Ball is going to carry 3K plus pounds of cargo.
Better to use realistic numbers than the GVWR in all cases.
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