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Travel Queen Specs

This is my first post, so let me start off by saying I'm at the very beginning stages of any kind of RVing. My wife and kids and I enjoy camping, but have only ever tent camped. Unfortunately, that's ...
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IF I get it, and that's still quite an if...it's certainly cheap enough, but I will definitely put up a build thread here and probably be asking for a fair amount of advice from the folks here. I've done construction, plumbing, electrical, even a little gas work in addition to auto stuff, but never a camper/trailer.

I did find, wading through Dave Pete's rebuild thread some specs, namely 1500lbs dry weight for his 8' TQ. That's encouraging. I took Blue to the co-op scale last night to calculate payload off of my suspension & axle (which are not factory) and came up with an est 1900lbs payload on a full tank of gas with me in the driver seat...and that's not calculating any benefit from overload springs. So...maybe it would work.

Seems to me the TQ I'm looking at is shorter, so maybe it's lighter? Did they even make a TQ under 8'? I haven't found anything to say they did. Maybe it's just a funky floor plan? Hopefully the seller will get back with me soon, or he might not be BSing me and already have it sold. But now I'm itching to drive the four hours this weekend just to go look at it.

If anybody comes up with dimensions that would still be really helpful. Thanks!

Edit: The seller got back to me with some dimensions, so I thought I'd share them in case anyone else comes googling later on...

Base to overhang is 46"
Base width 48"
Base length 100" (8' 4")
OAL 18'
OAW 7'6"


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I stumbled upon a camper listed online within a couple hours of me. It is a Travel Queen with a fair amount of water damage inside, but the outer shell and appliances appear in good shape. I've done three frame up restores on classic autos; a '49 & a '50 Ford F-1, and a '56 Merc Monterey. I'm not afraid of restoration work...could be a fun project, but...

If I take on this project I'd want to slide it into my '50 and cruise out, but I don't know the dimensions or the weight for these campers. I did some searching on google; found a thread or two here that mentioned them, but not the details I'm looking for.

Since I'm new to the RV scene I may not have all the nomenclature right, but I'm particularly interested in the rise height from camper base to cab over sleeper (to know if it will fit over my '50's cab), hip height from base to shoulder height that slides over bedsides (to know if it will clear my bed's side rails) and base width (to know if it will fit inside the narrow bed of my '50). I don't know how much these dimensions will vary from model to model, but the only dimension I've found discussed is length: 8' or 11'.

Last issue is weight. I've noticed a lot of guys with truck campers hauling them about in dual axle trucks (F250+ and like) and that makes me wonder if my F-1 suspension with F-150 drive train could handle it. (I also have a late model F-150 that might shoulder the camper from time to time.)

I've emailed the seller for dimensions, but thought I might get a better wealth of info here. If the seller doesn't come through with results I'd still like to know if it is worthwhile for me to look for another one. I've also stumbled upon Avion truck campers and have many of the same questions.

Thanks for your time and any info/leads you could share.

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I stumbled upon a camper listed online within a couple hours of me. It is a Travel Queen with a fair amount of water damage inside, but the outer shell and appliances appear in good shape. I've done three frame up restores on classic autos; a '49 & a '50 Ford F-1, and a '56 Merc Monterey. I'm not afraid of restoration work...could be a fun project, but...

If I take on this project I'd want to slide it into my '50 and cruise out, but I don't know the dimensions or the weight for these campers. I did some searching on google; found a thread or two here that mentioned them, but not the details I'm looking for.

Since I'm new to the RV scene I may not have all the nomenclature right, but I'm particularly interested in the rise height from camper base to cab over sleeper (to know if it will fit over my '50's cab), hip height from base to shoulder height that slides over bedsides (to know if it will clear my bed's side rails) and base width (to know if it will fit inside the narrow bed of my '50). I don't know how much these dimensions will vary from model to model, but the only dimension I've found discussed is length: 8' or 11'.

Last issue is weight. I've noticed a lot of guys with truck campers hauling them about in dual axle trucks (F250+ and like) and that makes me wonder if my F-1 suspension with F-150 drive train could handle it. (I also have a late model F-150 that might shoulder the camper from time to time.)

I've emailed the seller for dimensions, but thought I might get a better wealth of info here. If the seller doesn't come through with results I'd still like to know if it is worthwhile for me to look for another one. I've also stumbled upon Avion truck campers and have many of the same questions.

Thanks for your time and any info/leads you could share.

Jim"},"Conversation:conversation:2680103":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:2680103","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2680103"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2017-06-28T07:58:41.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2017-06-28T07:58:41.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":9,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2680103":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2680103","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:2680103_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:2680103_1","lastEditTime":"2017-06-26T20:49:44.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2680112":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:2680112","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2680103"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:387438"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":2680112,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"subject":"Re: Travel Queen Specs","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2680112"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2680103"},"body":"IF I get it, and that's still quite an if...it's certainly cheap enough, but I will definitely put up a build thread here and probably be asking for a fair amount of advice from the folks here. I've done construction, plumbing, electrical, even a little gas work in addition to auto stuff, but never a camper/trailer.

I did find, wading through Dave Pete's rebuild thread some specs, namely 1500lbs dry weight for his 8' TQ. That's encouraging. I took Blue to the co-op scale last night to calculate payload off of my suspension & axle (which are not factory) and came up with an est 1900lbs payload on a full tank of gas with me in the driver seat...and that's not calculating any benefit from overload springs. So...maybe it would work.

Seems to me the TQ I'm looking at is shorter, so maybe it's lighter? Did they even make a TQ under 8'? I haven't found anything to say they did. Maybe it's just a funky floor plan? Hopefully the seller will get back with me soon, or he might not be BSing me and already have it sold. But now I'm itching to drive the four hours this weekend just to go look at it.

If anybody comes up with dimensions that would still be really helpful. Thanks!

Edit: The seller got back to me with some dimensions, so I thought I'd share them in case anyone else comes googling later on...

Base to overhang is 46\"
Base width 48\"
Base length 100\" (8' 4\")
OAL 18'
OAW 7'6\"


Jim","body@stringLength":"1492","rawBody":"IF I get it, and that's still quite an if...it's certainly cheap enough, but I will definitely put up a build thread here and probably be asking for a fair amount of advice from the folks here. I've done construction, plumbing, electrical, even a little gas work in addition to auto stuff, but never a camper/trailer.

I did find, wading through Dave Pete's rebuild thread some specs, namely 1500lbs dry weight for his 8' TQ. That's encouraging. I took Blue to the co-op scale last night to calculate payload off of my suspension & axle (which are not factory) and came up with an est 1900lbs payload on a full tank of gas with me in the driver seat...and that's not calculating any benefit from overload springs. So...maybe it would work.

Seems to me the TQ I'm looking at is shorter, so maybe it's lighter? Did they even make a TQ under 8'? I haven't found anything to say they did. Maybe it's just a funky floor plan? Hopefully the seller will get back with me soon, or he might not be BSing me and already have it sold. But now I'm itching to drive the four hours this weekend just to go look at it.

If anybody comes up with dimensions that would still be really helpful. Thanks!

Edit: The seller got back to me with some dimensions, so I thought I'd share them in case anyone else comes googling later on...

Base to overhang is 46\"
Base width 48\"
Base length 100\" (8' 4\")
OAL 18'
OAW 7'6\"


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Hannibal wrote:
Good point John. And I've done a comparison between a 2003 SO Cummins Ram and an identical 2005 Hemi powered 2500HD. If I were deaf and didn't have a tachometer, I wouldn't know the difference towing our 10,400 lb Jayco 5th wheel. The Hemi would actually tow it faster up the grades although it was at 5k rpm/70mph. I usually set cruise at 65 in the interstates and 60 on the back roads and let it shift and do it's thing. The Hemi from direct to second and the Cummins from O/D to direct on the uphills. One shifted as much as the other. Never hurt a thing. Cringe factor is not an engine weakness or transmission problem. More of a mental problem.:B


I previously owned an '05 Dodge QuadCab, 2500, 4x4, Cummins, 3.73 and while I loved the truck and the way it towed anything. But... I can't help but admit how much I actually love the truck/ combo I \"downsized\" into.

I'm now driving a 2011 Ford F-150, SuperCab, 2wd, 5.0L, 3.55 Yes this is a gasser, and a small one but boy is it stout. My old work truck an '08 GM, 2500HD, 6.0L, 3.73 didn't run or feel as powerful as this new Ford 5.0L. in hind sight I kick myself for not getting the EcoBoost, my reason at the time was that the 3.5L had just come out when I needed a truck last year and dealers were not dealing on them as they were in serious demand. The good news was that all of the 5.0L truck had $12K Off the sticker!! so that was a no brainer.

I also had some warranty work done on my new truck a few months ago (slip-yoke-bump) and Ford gave me a '12 SuperCrew, EcoBoost loaner to drive around. While I know that setup would tow better than my 5.0L, I really could not feel a differenace between the 5.0L & the 3.5L EcoBoost on the road with nothing in the bed or being towed behind.

My 5.0L gets a no joke 22 mpg on the highway empty, cruise set at 68 or 70 and about 15-16 in town. The EcoBooost trucks get about 1 mpg +/- Hwy/ City from what I read. Still 22 mpg's from a normally aspirated V8 is amazing.

Anyway, the wife & I are getting ready to pull the plug on a 20-24' TT with a weight of around 3500-4900 lbs dry, and to be honest I am more than sure my F-150 will be up to the task. I know nobody will belive me, but I swear my '11, 5.0L, F-150 pulls as good as my old '05 Dodge Ram 3/4, Cummins. On top of that the truck is a \"Hot-Rod\" around town when you are going from light to light or merging onto the highway.","body@stringLength":"2503","rawBody":"
Hannibal wrote:
Good point John. And I've done a comparison between a 2003 SO Cummins Ram and an identical 2005 Hemi powered 2500HD. If I were deaf and didn't have a tachometer, I wouldn't know the difference towing our 10,400 lb Jayco 5th wheel. The Hemi would actually tow it faster up the grades although it was at 5k rpm/70mph. I usually set cruise at 65 in the interstates and 60 on the back roads and let it shift and do it's thing. The Hemi from direct to second and the Cummins from O/D to direct on the uphills. One shifted as much as the other. Never hurt a thing. Cringe factor is not an engine weakness or transmission problem. More of a mental problem.:B


I previously owned an '05 Dodge QuadCab, 2500, 4x4, Cummins, 3.73 and while I loved the truck and the way it towed anything. But... I can't help but admit how much I actually love the truck/ combo I \"downsized\" into.

I'm now driving a 2011 Ford F-150, SuperCab, 2wd, 5.0L, 3.55 Yes this is a gasser, and a small one but boy is it stout. My old work truck an '08 GM, 2500HD, 6.0L, 3.73 didn't run or feel as powerful as this new Ford 5.0L. in hind sight I kick myself for not getting the EcoBoost, my reason at the time was that the 3.5L had just come out when I needed a truck last year and dealers were not dealing on them as they were in serious demand. The good news was that all of the 5.0L truck had $12K Off the sticker!! so that was a no brainer.

I also had some warranty work done on my new truck a few months ago (slip-yoke-bump) and Ford gave me a '12 SuperCrew, EcoBoost loaner to drive around. While I know that setup would tow better than my 5.0L, I really could not feel a differenace between the 5.0L & the 3.5L EcoBoost on the road with nothing in the bed or being towed behind.

My 5.0L gets a no joke 22 mpg on the highway empty, cruise set at 68 or 70 and about 15-16 in town. The EcoBooost trucks get about 1 mpg +/- Hwy/ City from what I read. Still 22 mpg's from a normally aspirated V8 is amazing.

Anyway, the wife & I are getting ready to pull the plug on a 20-24' TT with a weight of around 3500-4900 lbs dry, and to be honest I am more than sure my F-150 will be up to the task. I know nobody will belive me, but I swear my '11, 5.0L, F-150 pulls as good as my old '05 Dodge Ram 3/4, Cummins. 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