Travel trailer GVWR more that combine GAWR

[leoshats]

Hello everyone,
I was going over the specs for my brand-new travel trailer 2017 Jayco Eagle 330RSTS and noticed some inconsistencies which I hope someone can explain. First of all, I noticed that the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) was significantly more than the combined gross axle weight rating (GAWR):
GVWR = 11,250 lbs.
Front GAWR = 5,200 lbs.
Rear GAWR = 5,200 lbs.

Safety is the primary reason for manufacturers to place a limit on how much weight each axle can carry. Overloading a trailer of any kind is dangerous!
The GVWR should never surpass the GAWR on any vehicle, however I have an excess allowed by the manufacturer for 800 pounds (!). I understand that the part of the weight should be subtracted (???) from the full amount of GVWR due to tongue weight (10-15%), however please could you help me to understand either this is the manufacturer's fault, or it should be? I will attach VIN sticker photo below and would like to thank you in advance for your time and support.
Best regards, LS

[Walaby]

My TT's GVWR exceeds my combined GAWR. Same with my previous TT too. Same with a friends TT. Seems to be standard.

As stated, 10-15% TW is not on the axle's. Even when sitting in driveway.

Mike

[Old-Biscuit]

peirek wrote:

leoshats wrote:
Thank you, for your response, first of all.
Secondly, this is the F150, FX2 Eco-boost 2012 upgraded with special towing package till 11,300lbs towing capacity, with AirRide system and other issues. So please don't worry, this is amazing truck and can safely tow a lot !!!

I just can't help myself.... what is the cargo capacity of the truck with the towing package? FYI: Tow rating means little with a TT.

The heck with that....

Load it up (truck/trailer) camp ready..everybody and ALL the stuff then hit the CAT Scales for a REAL WORLD eye opening information about weights.

Stickers, data plates, mfg. specs......hooey!
Real World ......ACTUAL weighing
Once across scale without WDH connected
Once across scales WITH WDH
Once across scales truck only

Now have ALL the info needed to:
1) Set up WDH
2) Get real tongue weight
3) Get real weight on axles
4) Get real weight on truck....and how close/over it is

WEIGH IT...then post the REAL Weight numbers


PS:
Post pictures of actual weigh tickets (all 3 of them) and I will send you the reimbursement of costs for weighing!



ON EDIT:
Truck GVWR ---------------8,200#
Truck/trailer GCVWR ---- 17,100#
MAX Tow (published) -----11,300#

Published.....150# driver and 20# cargo
MAX Payload.....F150 3.5L Eco 4x4 ---REG CAB/2398# (1539# or less for other cabs)
MAX Tongue weight (With WDH) 1,130# (only 10% of MAX Tow weight??)

GCVWR minus MAX Tow====max weight of truck
17,100 - 11,300 = 5800# (bet truck weighs MORE then that so tow weigh goes DOWN)

So if truck is closer to GVWR 8200# then trailer weight can only be 8900# for GCVWR

Two weights one should NOT exceed....
GAWR and GCVWR

So load up camp ready and post.....otherwise you are OVER WEIGHT truck and truck/trailer combo. Simple addition/subtraction

[hawkeye-08]

leoshats wrote:
Thank you, for your response, first of all.
Secondly, this is the F150, FX2 Eco-boost 2012 upgraded with special towing package till 11,300lbs towing capacity, with AirRide system and other issues. So please don't worry, this is amazing truck and can safely tow a lot !!!

Yada, yada, yada. We have all made that argument, but fact is, there are other factors, not just the towing capacity you have to consider. You have to take into account payload on tow vehicle along with sail area (how much frontal area that big box has), hitch capacity, and so on...

Nice trailer and truck, I would love to have a big trailer like that, but we like state and national parks and the long rigs often don't fit..

[hawkeye-08]

leoshats wrote:
I greatly appreciate everyone for your attention and time concerning in this matter, first of all. I partially agree with you that the tongue weight should be 10% - 15% of trailers total Weigh. But this is in case when the trailer is connected to the TV. This is my third trailer for last 15 years and I use the unit not more than 30-40 days per year (long weekends, vacation), however the rest of the time it stands on its axles with a weight of 800 pound exceeding the permissible weight on the axis, since the tongue jack during the parking stay period is just the support point. Therefore, many RV users have problems with the trailer’s axles and have to repair units at their own expenses, however this is the clear fault of the manufacturer which trying to save money on everything, including safety. My trailer is a regular travel trailer class and not a “destination trailer” (see photo below please). Unfortunately I do not have the funds to change a brand-new axles at my own expense, but I will do everything, including the court, to force the Jayco, Inc. to make a replacement and may be a new users will have a better situation in the future. Thank you everyone again for everything! Best regards, Leonid

Tongue weight is tongue weight, regardless of whether it is supported by hitch on tow vehicle or tongue jack or whatever. The weight on the axles does not change depending on whether it is hooked to truck or not.

[peirek]

leoshats wrote:
Thank you, for your response, first of all.
Secondly, this is the F150, FX2 Eco-boost 2012 upgraded with special towing package till 11,300lbs towing capacity, with AirRide system and other issues. So please don't worry, this is amazing truck and can safely tow a lot !!!

I just can't help myself.... what is the cargo capacity of the truck with the towing package? FYI: Tow rating means little with a TT.

[peirek]

dodge guy wrote:
Oh no! You shouldn't have posted the pic with the F150 in there!!!!!

I'll just sit back and watch this thread spiral out of control now!!!!

This........... popcorn ready

[wnjj]

leoshats wrote:
Dear Old-Biscuit,
According to your explanations, the "weight on axles" you mean the weight according to the the specification of the trailer (GVWR; GAWR), or after the weigh station? Thank you.

What he was saying is the weight on the axles and tires won't change between the tongue sitting on the truck or sitting on the ground.

Actually there will be slightly less weight on the axles when parked than there is when towing with a weight distributing hitch.

In any case, the GAWR is what you should not exceed when putting the axles on the scale.

[leoshats]

Dear Old-Biscuit,
According to your explanations, the "weight on axles" you mean the weight according to the the specification of the trailer (GVWR; GAWR), or after the weigh station? Thank you.

[leoshats]

Thank you, for your response, first of all.
Secondly, this is the F150, FX2 Eco-boost 2012 upgraded with special towing package till 11,300lbs towing capacity, with AirRide system and other issues. So please don't worry, this is amazing truck and can safely tow a lot !!!

[Old-Biscuit]

When hitched to truck.....tongue weight plus weight on axles = total weight

When NOT hitched to truck....STILL have tongue weight (jack) plus weight on axles =total weight

At no time is trailers total weight ONLY on axles.



Now about that tow truck......:S

[dodge_guy]

Oh no! You shouldn't have posted the pic with the F150 in there!!!!!

I'll just sit back and watch this thread spiral out of control now!!!!

[leoshats]

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