Truck capacity

[odyknuck]

Ok I want to match a Truck Camper to my 2013 F250 6.7 diesel with 8' bed. There is a sticker on the door that states tire specs and max payload of 2365#s.
Am I to assume that is the max load for the factory supplied tires or for what ever tires are on it? The GVW is 10K for the truck. The axles are front 5900 and rear 6100#. I also want to tow a 28' cargo trailer behind that could weigh up 9100#. Please advise.

[odyknuck]

My truck does not have the camper option so I bought a set of 5000# Ultimate airlift bags with the internal jounce bumper. I already have an Equalizer load/sway bar setup that I will be using.

[Carb_Cleaner]

I have a 2013 F250 Super Cab 8' bed with the camper package. 10,000 pound GVWR, 6,200 rear and 5,940 front. Our camper must be roughly 3,000 pounds wet and the tongue weight of our enclosed 6x12 probably about 350 pounds. Stableload's blocks for the factory upper overloads and Timbrens SES (heavy-duty axle bump stops) have been added. The truck has factory anti-sway bars. I swapped the factory 17" steelies and SUV tires for 18" Aluminum wheels with wider tires for more capacity. I feel like our rig is at its limits. I considered going to a tandem axle 7x12 or 7x14, but I'm a little scared of a larger trailer/more tongue weight. Concerned enough to think about selling the F250, take a little loss, and getting a dually to feel confident with a 7x14. Maybe I'm a big sissy, but when I see the weight on my rear tires, it kinda freaks me out.
EDIT: All that hitch apparatus is going to weigh a few pounds. We don't need an extension or a WDH.

[wintersun]

azdryheat wrote:
Get a F350 dually.

Might as well tell him to go get a motorhome and tow the trailer with that.

The only difference with the GM 2500 and 3500 diesel trucks is the extra set of leaf packs on the 1-ton and I would expect the same to be true with your truck. The F-350 and F-450 pickups are little different than the F-250 pickup.

In the past the Ford trucks came with a rear axle and wheel bearings that were rated at 8900 lbs. and your truck is at least that good. Subtract the 3000 or so pound weight of the truck with nothing in the bed and that gives you a real load limit. Springs can be added as with Supersprings and tires can be changed out as well if more load capacity is needed.

With my GM 2500 there are two types of Supersprings sets that can be added to increase the payload to 4,000 or 5,000 lbs. and I opted for the 5,000 lb. capacity as with a top heavy load like a camper, in a tight turn more than 50% of the camper's weight is on one side of the truck.

Most E range tires are rated at 3200 lbs. at 80 PSI or 6400 lbs. for the rear drive axle. This is why the truck manufacturers take the easy way out and use an extra two tires to add 80% more load capacity. Easiest though not by any means the best approach which is why you will not see it done on military vehicles. There are Toyo and Nitto tires with a 3750@80 PSI load rating or even 19.5 rims and tires with a load capacity of 4,800 lbs. per wheel.

A dually or 19.5 wheels are needed with a dry camper load that is greater than 4,000 lbs. but the great majority of campers sold today are not that heavy. I would rather get a camper that can be used on a SRW truck than have all the problems of driving a dually (off the pavement or in snow or sand) with the camper on and the inconvenience of such a vehicle when the camper is not in use. There are good reasons why so very few people use a dually for private use with campers and even 5th wheel travel trailers.

With a trailer you have to add the tongue weight it generates to the overall load of the camper. Also a good idea to invest in a Superhitch and get compatible rear tie-downs from Torklift.

[ticki2]

Reddog1 wrote:

This is a very interesting decal . Most times the GRAW is limited by the OEM tires , not so in this case . All the 245/75/17E tires I've seen are rated over 3000# which would mean over 6000# GRAW . This one is stating 4800# so something else must be the limiter . It must be a F150HD .

[Bedlam]

It's possible to what you are asking, but you will need to spend some money to get your truck to be able to handle this. You will have 8000 lbs on the rear axle when fully loaded and hitched. You will need to upgrade to 19.5" wheels. I added upper and lower Torklift StableLoads and Firestone airbags to help the suspension. My truck had the camper package with anti-sway bar and upper overload springs - If you do not have this option, you may want to start with a heavier spring pack and Roadmaster bar.

Your trailer will require a WDH. Depending on the camper you choose you may also need a hitch extension. For the size and weight trailer you want to tow, there really is no other option than a SuperHitch receiver with a double truss SuperTruss extension.

[SugarHillCTD]

Buzzcut1 wrote:
get 19.5 wheels and tires then don't worry too much as you will have at least 9000 pounds of tire and wheel capacity at the axles.

Or at least higher capacity tires for your existing wheels.

Using the existing wheels on our Chevy 2500, I increased rear and front axle carrying capacity from 6400# to 8000# by going to heavier cap. Nitto tires.

Look at Northstar TCs for lighter campers- especially if you are going to be pulling a trailer also.

Good luck!

[Golden_HVAC]

The problem is that you probably will have 300 - 400 pounds of passengers, and 10% of the 9,000 cargo trailer is around 900 pounds on the hitch. So that is 1,300 pounds taken away from the 2,300 pound limit. It only leaves 1,000 pounds of the camper.

Some campers are in the 3,000 pound range, so a dually will solve all those problems, even if the 9,000 pound trailer is hitch heavy and 1,400 pounds or more on the hitch.

Sadly, you do need a larger capacity truck. The SRW F-350 might take care of the problem, however depending on the camper that you pick (a Host with dual slide outs in in the 4,200 pound 'wet' weight range) you would have to work around the cargo weight limits with any single rear wheel truck. It is only a dually when you can safely say that the truck can carry just about any load.

Good luck,

Fred.

[Buzzcut1]

get 19.5 wheels and tires then don't worry too much as you will have at least 9000 pounds of tire and wheel capacity at the axles.

[805gregg]

Maybe a Lance lite camper to increase your towing, don't need a dully unless you like to buy 6 tires at a time, and want to run those ugly fenders into everything in sight

[odyknuck]

Hmmm! Maybe I should have preempted my post with
"This is the truck I will be using period" lol.
The truck has 8000 miles on it and will not be giving it up any time soon. I went thru a lot of rust prep, added rear wheel wells, mud flaps etc to be able to keep this truck for a long time.

[kbaum]

By the way I completely agree with Reddog.

[kbaum]

Only 16 minutes before someone told you to get a dually, a record?

[Reddog1]

We frequently argue/debate the meaning of the door decal. Personally, I read it to be for the factory supplied tires.

The photo of the decal below is very clear to me. For the front axle, note the decal clearly states:

FRONT GAWR:
4500 pounds WITH
LT245/75R/17E 121/11BR TIRES
177X5J RIMS
AT 380 kPa/55 PSI COLD


The key word is "WITH". To me, that clearly states the GAWR with that tire size. My Dodge decal uses the same verbiage.

[FireGuard]

A Lance 815 or similiar would work well.
8' so no overhang and around 2k lbs loaded. This would allow passengers, cargo and likely 800 lbs or so of trailer toungue weight.

[azdryheat]

Get a F350 dually.