Truck Debates - Why does it seem to be mostly Ford vs. Ram?

[otrfun]

With Ford being the top-dog and a big target, it's easy to see why folks pick on Ford. However, Chevy/GMC sales are a relatively close 2nd. Ram sales are 3rd. Even so, after months of reading threads here, and in other forums, I get the impression that Chevy/GMC trucks tend not to get caught up in these Big 3 truck debates nearly as much as Ford and Ram.

True? Or, is my impression skewed.

[gmcsmoke]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Engineer9860 wrote:

otrfun wrote:
With Ford being the top-dog and a big target, it's easy to see why folks pick on Ford. However, Chevy/GMC sales are a relatively close 2nd. Ram sales are 3rd. Even so, after months of reading threads here, and in other forums, I get the impression that Chevy/GMC trucks tend not to get caught up in these Big 3 truck debates nearly as much as Ford and Ram.

True? Or, is my impression skewed.

Wait,

what?

Based on some of the comments on this board lately I was led to believe Dodge/RAM/Chrysler/Cerebus/Plymouth/Daimler/Fiat/Somethingoranother out sold Ford, and GM combined.

This post kind of makes the OP's post look silly, one of GM's fan boys that just can't help but stir the pot anytime something is posted about Ram. Sorry OP there are planty of GM fan boys on here that post negative things about Ford, Ram and the rest.

Don

oh the irony

[parkersdad]

Here is the story on the Duramax. You be the judge.
http://history.gmheritagecenter.com/wiki/index.php/The_Duramax_Diesel_6600_Story

[spoon059]

travelnutz wrote:
spoon059,

So what you are really saying is that if you bought a new truck right now it would be from a foreign owned (Italy) manufacture "Fiat" and the truck would be made in "Mexico" with Mexican workers as all 2500 and 3500 Dodge/Rams are and have been for over a decade now and it would have an engine in it also made in "Mexico" with Mexican workers like all Ram Hemi engines are and have been for years. Then to rub your salt in your fellow Americans face, have your new foreign truck imported into the USA and sold to you using the money you earned in the USA and having the profits from the sale going to Italy (Fiat)! Nice Guy!!!

Please tell us where you earn/derive your income from so we the U.S. citizens and taxpayers can "boycott" contributing even a dime to your source of income since you'd see fit to undermine and boycott the American workers and undermine their incomes! You can't be a real "American" by any stretch, can you???

I bought a Tundra this time around, thus supporting the American assembly line workers. Seeing as to how it is more American than whatever GMC truck you buy...

I would still rather support the Mexican government and workers than tax myself and my fellow Americans $50 BILLION in bailout money. Nice try anyways.

[jerem0621]

I think the best brand is the one sitting in your driveway.

I'm a lincoln man, I love my old 2000 Town Car. Is it better than a 2014 MKZ? On paper no, but to me, yes!!! Tomorrow I am going to rely on my 2000 LTC because it's in my driveway and I own it. A 2014 MKZ does nothing for me if it's not in my driveway.

But as to why Chevrolet isn't in the question much is the same reason ford V10's aren't talked about a whole lot. They are reliable as a hammer and rarely fail. TUNDRA is a great truck, it employes American workers, well so does every other automaker selling in the USA.

I wonder if Germans who buy GM or Ford get ridiculed because they didn't buy "German" cars?

I lived there for four years (in Germany). I heard a lot of BMW vs Mercedes but I never heard a "German vs American" debate.

Funny, when I was at our local ram dealership, not one Italian National came out to sell me a Ram....nope...it was an American.

If I were buying a new truck right now it would be a Silverado crew cab with that sweet 4.3 V6.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

[Me_Again]

travelnutz wrote:
hammer21661,

Sorry, you aren't even close to half right on the Duramax engine. ALL design, prototyping, development, was done in the USA as is ALL production builds and always have been. The joint venture was at the beginning only for mating the best known combinations of the world wide's best diesel engines technology put together and it shows. The 6.6 Duramax is still the same displacement and basic engine going on 14 years and close to 2 millions engines later. Changes mandated by ongoing and increasing emission regulations which have affected all engines over the years along with improvements learned which were implemented for all engines, gas and diesel. Not true about being the same basic engines for GM's competition's diesel offerings. One which went from the 7.3 to the unforgetable 6.0 to the a little better albeit fuel hog 6.4 then to the 6.7 which is solely made in Mexico! The other went from the 5.9 to the 6.7 and none of the 6.7's of either brand have been able to pull an equal load up a grade or get as good of fuel economy as the same displacement 6.6 Duramax as shown in dozens of sanctioned comparison tests yet.

GM soley owns ALL designs, patents, of and has the only rights to manufacture and sell the 6.6 Duramax which is only built in the US of A by Americans and is installed in GM HD pickup trucks etc.

BTW, the GM HD pickups are only built in Flint, Michigan and sold in the USA and Canada and even foreign countries (elsewhere). Get that? Trucks, engines, and transmissions that are built only in the USA and sold elsewhere also unlike their competition who builds elsewhere and imports to the USA for selling!

The VM Motori diesel that is going in the Ram 1500 pickups is also a GM engine design that was intended for the Cadillac originally with a joint venture with VM Motori which in later GM had sold to VM Motori (Italy) and Fiat who controls Chrysler and Ram has pruchased VM Motori and decided to use that foreign made engine in their USA RAM 1500.

Are you a little smarter now so you won't continue to show how little you know about the Duramax etc?

I have to omit that GM has done much better with the Duramax then they did with the Vega engine! Chris

[Bedlam]

I think the confusion with the Duramax is that Isuzu sells a straight-six as a Duramax LG4 in the medium duty fleet.

The VM Motori L630 (used in the Ram 1500) was sold in Europe as the A630 since 2011 with different emission tuning. The RA629 was developed by GM but I do not know if any of that technology went into the 630's.

[travelnutz]

hammer21661,

Sorry, you aren't even close to half right on the Duramax engine. ALL design, prototyping, development, was done in the USA as is ALL production builds and always have been. The joint venture was at the beginning only for mating the best known combinations of the world wide's best diesel engines technology put together and it shows. The 6.6 Duramax is still the same displacement and basic engine going on 14 years and close to 2 millions engines later. Changes mandated by ongoing and increasing emission regulations which have affected all engines over the years along with improvements learned which were implemented for all engines, gas and diesel. Not true about being the same basic engines for GM's competition's diesel offerings. One which went from the 7.3 to the unforgetable 6.0 to the a little better albeit fuel hog 6.4 then to the 6.7 which is solely made in Mexico! The other went from the 5.9 to the 6.7 and none of the 6.7's of either brand have been able to pull an equal load up a grade or get as good of fuel economy as the same displacement 6.6 Duramax as shown in dozens of sanctioned comparison tests yet.

GM soley owns ALL designs, patents, of and has the only rights to manufacture and sell the 6.6 Duramax which is only built in the US of A by Americans and is installed in GM HD pickup trucks etc.

BTW, the GM HD pickups are only built in Flint, Michigan and sold in the USA and Canada and even foreign countries (elsewhere). Get that? Trucks, engines, and transmissions that are built only in the USA and sold elsewhere also unlike their competition who builds elsewhere and imports to the USA for selling!

The VM Motori diesel that is going in the Ram 1500 pickups is also a GM engine design that was intended for the Cadillac originally with a joint venture with VM Motori which in later GM had sold to VM Motori (Italy) and Fiat who controls Chrysler and Ram has pruchased VM Motori and decided to use that foreign made engine in their USA RAM 1500.

Are you a little smarter now so you won't continue to show how little you know about the Duramax etc?

[fla-gypsy]

Stefonius wrote:

otrfun wrote:
With Ford being the top-dog and a big target, it's easy to see why folks pick on Ford. However, Chevy/GMC sales are a relatively close 2nd. Ram sales are 3rd. Even so, after months of reading threads here, and in other forums, I get the impression that Chevy/GMC trucks tend not to get caught up in these Big 3 truck debates nearly as much as Ford and Ram.

True? Or, is my impression skewed.

From what I've seen, Chevy/GMC (which sell the same truck) are actually in the #1 position. Ford has been #2 for years. They only claim to be #1 by separating Chevy from GMC.

The last time the GM twins outsold Ford was 2009. Ford has claimed the top spot for 4 consecutive years.

[hammer21661]

Paul Clancy wrote:
All these companies are international corporations with world wide holdings. Where any of it is made is meaningless. The parts are made all over the globe regardless of assembly location. That horse left the gate long ago.

Unfortunately you are right but I think most people will agree that as a country it is better to be producers then consumers.

[Paul_Clancy]

All these companies are international corporations with world wide holdings. Where any of it is made is meaningless. The parts are made all over the globe regardless of assembly location. That horse left the gate long ago.

[hammer21661]

travelnutz wrote:
hammer21661,

Name "those Japanese engines in their trucks"! I'm waiting!

Duramax is totally owned by GM and ALL Duramax engines are made in the USA in Moraine, Ohio by American workers in a GM plant. Got it?

Want to know where the 5.3 V8, the 6.0 V8, and the 6.2 V8 are made? Don't make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have!

It is made in the states, to my suprise, although it was a joint venture between isuzu who designed it and gm. Hey, they needed some help after the 6.2 and 6.5.
I was half wrong,I haven't made a fool of myself they would be Japanese-american engines.
Wow, for you to get so bent outta shape over that statement you should either be one of the guys building them or you need to get a life.

[blt2ski]

Oh man oh man oh man.....

My achey head........

you should allknow what truck brand is best! the on the modurator drives.....and its a CHEBBY! yeezuss.

counting.....10, 9, 8,


Marty

[Passin_Thru]

Well, I let out my part on a truck and am done. Lets just say I have owned both Ford and Chevy over the last 40 years and like them both. I try not to say anything about anyones choice, after all, it's supposed to be a free country even though I live in the Communist state. My Chevy has an Isuzu which is Korean, not Japanese and is also a Korean cuss word. I am married to an Italian Citizen so I don't care if my money goes to Italy.
Virginia where the ratio of Police is about 1-1 with the rest of the population and the only place in the US where you can see 10 cops in 10 miles 5 days a week in Loudoun county.

[travelnutz]

hammer21661,

Name "those Japanese engines in their trucks"! I'm waiting!

Duramax is totally owned by GM and ALL Duramax engines are made in the USA in Moraine, Ohio by American workers in a GM plant. Got it?

Want to know where the 5.3 V8, the 6.0 V8, and the 6.2 V8 are made? Don't make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have!

[travelnutz]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy,

I didn't take your posts/thread as any disrespect at all nor did I address any towards you. You made it clear in your original post as to your thinking with the revenge remark. That's why I addressed my post directly to: "spoon059" with real facts that even john&bet doesn't seem to realize as it's in gobs of publications and reports.

Please remember that I am glad you love Ram and/or your Dodge truck and as you do work for Chrysler/Fiat also for your livelihood. We all should like our truck choices or get what makes us happy but at the same time use some commonsense as to the ramifications we have, can, or will cause. You as an American citizen and UAW worker should be very tender to your "union brothers" being unemployed etc due to foreign made goods being imported ever increasingly so. How long before "you" will again feel the effects? Do you really think Sergio has your best interest in mind for the long run? Fiat is starting to feel the real pinch of the economic problems in Europe and what do you think he'll have to do about it now that the string is stretched to it's max???

I want all the Americam manufacturers to sell all they can and be profitable while employing the American workers to make as much of their products as possible on American soil. Same for Canada. Otherwise, the American/Canadian middle class is "doomed" and you know that also!