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jackson96
Explorer
Explorer
My wife and I attended an RV show here in Denver this past weekend. We are thinking about purchasing a travel trailer - the show was a bit overwhelming and everything started blurring together. The 4 models we looked and liked that we think would fit our needs are:

Shasta Oasis 310K
Heartland North Trail 26DBSS
KZ Sport Trek ST270VBH
Coachmen Apex Ultra-Lite 276BHSS

Can anyone offer any pros/cons, thoughts in general on any of these brands (doesn't need to be model specific) -- having a hard time finding any review sites that might help us get a little less foggy on what we might want to buy. Any ideas/thoughts on other models we aren't thinking about also would be appreciated -- ideally we're looking for a bunkhouse floor plan that might be good through hunting season here in Colorado.

Thanks in advance -- there is so much to sort out I feel like and we're just looking for honest opinions...
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Lwiddis
Explorer II
Explorer II
Dutchman, that is some analysis! Wow!
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SpeakEasy
Explorer
Explorer
Having just walked that road a year ago I will add my piece of advice. Expect your idea of the best model to evolve as you go through the process. The more you learn, and the more models you see, the more your priorities will chrystalize and clarify. The things you thought were MOST important when you first started out may become a bit less important as you realize new options. There may be times when you think you'll never be able to sort all of this out, but eventually your tastes and priorities will stabilize. Then you'll be able to see clearly which particular floorplan or model you want to invest in. And even then, you may need to tell yourself that you are not marrying this thing. You can always sell or trade it in a couple years if it turns out to be less than the best.

-Speak
It's just Mrs. SpeakEasy and me now (empty-nesters). But we can choose from among 7 grandchildren to drag along with us!



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trsky
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Explorer
Go for the floor plan you like the best when open because that's how you use it. As far as needing to have the slide out to move around is up to you. For us it is no issue at all and would have never thought it an issue if I had not read about it here. We have a KZ an love it. Buy what suites your needs and lifestyle.
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racecitypat
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The biggest thing is buy the one that your comfortable with while the slides are OUT. You will be living in it for short periods of time, and you want the inside to have that comfortable "homey" feel. You wont always be out while camping, and you do not want to have that "confined" feeling.
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djsamuel
Nomad
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bid_time wrote:
"Schwintek recommends that you run the slide out fully each time you use it. By running it our only a short distance you cause the motors to get out of sync."

Schwintek recommends you run the slide out all the way, but it is not really a necessity. I have run mine out many times only part way with no issues. What is really important is that you hold the button for several seconds after running fully out or fully in. This is what keeps the motors in sync.


Exactly. Each motor runs independently until they meet resistance to motion. then the controller shuts each motor down. as stated, holding the button in after running full out or in is what synchronizes them.

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TomG2
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Explorer
As I often do, I take a slightly different look at things. While there have been some good points made about the various models, I look at the dealer before making any choice. Granted, travel trailers are pretty trouble free, but when they aren't, I want Steve and his brother Bob on my side. They are in Athens, Illinois if anyone cares.

I no longer purchase models with slides, but I would not have one that kept me from using all the facilities with the slides in.

bid_time
Nomad II
Nomad II
"Schwintek recommends that you run the slide out fully each time you use it. By running it our only a short distance you cause the motors to get out of sync."

Schwintek recommends you run the slide out all the way, but it is not really a necessity. I have run mine out many times only part way with no issues. What is really important is that you hold the button for several seconds after running fully out or fully in. This is what keeps the motors in sync.

bailer6334
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Explorer
I agree with the above. Especially the comment about the Schwitek slide systems. While we have RV'd over 30 years had I known about the slide operation, I would have bought a different TT.
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goducks10
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Nice write up DutchmanSport. So many newbs, and we were all one at some point, get caught up in marketing.
To the OP, when you get sorta serious and actually look on the dealer lot, have them run the slides in on any unit you're interested in. Then you can get a good feel for what the trailer will be like when on the road. We have a 5th wheel, but the same rules apply. We do have full acess to the bathroom, fridge, sink and pantry. Makes for a nice convenience when traveling. You can pull off anywhere, use the toilet, grab a bit to eat and be on the road in no time.
Now it wouldn't be much of a problem to run a slide out 6-12" if needed to gain access, but the problem with that is some trailers use Schwitek slide systems. Schwintek recommends that you run the slide out fully each time you use it. By running it our only a short distance you cause the motors to get out of sync.

SoundGuy
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Explorer
DutchmenSport wrote:
I think 2 of the most important features of a camper is the bathroom and the kitchen. And when "traveling" to have access to both, without having to pull slides out. Also, when in storage, or if parked at home, you may want the slides in and need to access everything. You won't be able to. All 4 of these campers greatly restrict access to the 2 most important "luxuries" of dragging your own house with you down the road ... bathroom and kitchen.


Agree completely. 🙂 I've argued this point before and have been soundly trashed by those who say it's no big deal to open the slides if necessary. Sorry, I disagree ... during the season I keep our camper here at the house with the sofa slide in the stored position so it won't intrude on the narrow space between my driveway and my neighbour's. No worries, I have complete access to everything in the trailer whether the slide is deployed or not. :B When traveling we often stop for lunch time stops or bathroom breaks and the last thing I want to do, especially if it's pouring cats 'n dogs outside, is deploy a slide just so I can open the fridge or the bathroom door. :M No thanks, regardless that some don't see this as an issue. 😉
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DutchmenSport
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Explorer
I looked at all 4 floor plans from your selections:

Shasta here.

Hartland here.

KZ here.

Apex here.

(Hope these links work).

I will say, the floor plan you have selected is pretty consistent between all 4 campers. But, all 4 of them screamed "NO" at me and here's why.

Did you look at the campers with the slides pulled in? I bet you did not. With all 4 models, with slides are in, you will not be able to access the bathroom. The kitchen stove, refrigerator, and cabinets will be blocked or restricted.

I think 2 of the most important features of a camper is the bathroom and the kitchen. And when "traveling" to have access to both, without having to pull slides out. Also, when in storage, or if parked at home, you may want the slides in and need to access everything. You won't be able to. All 4 of these campers greatly restrict access to the 2 most important "luxuries" of dragging your own house with you down the road ... bathroom and kitchen. (Think about it).

Also, with slides in:
the 31OK, Sofa will be right up against the sink. You'll have to climb over the sofa to get to the bathroom. Then once at the bathroom, you probably will not be able to open the door, as it looks like it will right up against the dinette. The television is center front. Did you actually sit at the dinette and the couch for more than 10 seconds and try to focus on watching television. You will find it very uncomfortable, and someone will have their back to the television. With slides in, you have only 1 access door to the master bed room. Someone will be climbing over someone else to get in out out, if you decide to snooze while on the road.

Hartland, KZ, and Apex ... same identical problems... exactly.

This floor plan is NOT very user friendly. Oh, looks great with slides out, but you'll hate it with slides in. And there will be times you'll need to use it with slides in.

The Apex has a middle island, with virtually, absolutely, no counter space. You'll hate this after using it a couple times. Sink in the middle of the floor with such small counter top space is a real waste of floor space.

The next thing you REALLY need to find out also, is, where are the hook-ups positioned, water intake, sewer outlet, and electric hook-up. Where is the drain for the fresh water tank? How hard is it to reach? How hard are the valves for the black and grey tanks to reach ... with slides OUT? Do the slides block the valves, so you have to crawl under the slide to dump when you have full hook up? Or are they easily accessible with slides in or out?

In the Apex, the refrigerator, microwave, stove slide will be "under" your awning, taking up space from under the awning. You'll hate this after a while too. You want your awning so you can sit under all of it, not just part of it. Slides under the main awning rob your outside shade space!

I'm sorry I just dumped a bucket of water on your fire! But you really need to think about the placement of these types of things before you buy.

And FYI, all 4 of these campers are comparable in quality and build. There is nothing truly outstanding about any of them. It boils down to the small things that will make your decision, like the placement of dump valves, ease of access to water and electric hook up, interior color and trim, and cost. Basically, in my opinion, they are all about equal.

Next time you visit a dealership, have the dealer pull the slides IN, then sit in the camper for 30 minutes and try to move around. Don't worry about the salesman trying to push you around, tell him, if you're going to buy this unit, you want to spend time in it first! And ask if the camper is strong enough you can walk on the roof? If so, ask him for a ladder so you can look at it! (REALLY!)

And one more thing? Did you crawl under the campers to see what they look like? Are they enclosed, open, covered with nylon material, or something that looks like black plastic cardboard. Is there insulation under the floor? Are the air ducts under the floor insulated.

Where does the heat blow out from the furnace? Where's it located. If it's located on the awning side, you'll hate it there. Water heater? Under the awning side? You'll hate it on that side with you sit outside in the summer and it kick on, blowing heat when it's already 95 degrees.

And air conditioner, how many BTU?

jackson96
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Lwiddis
Explorer II
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"the show was a bit overwhelming and everything started blurring together"

I respectfully say you aren't ready to buy just yet. Wait until you see a TT you love without any blurring.
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mbopp
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And before you put the cart before the horse - what do you plan to tow it with?
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