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Use a 50 amp adapter instead of 30 amp service?

scbwr
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We're at a RV park near Jekyll Island, GA and as usual, for our 30 amp travel trailer, we were plugged into the 30 amp outlet with our Progressive Industries PT30C in use. The breaker tripped and we were in the dark. I went out to the power post and could not get the 30 amp breaker to reset, so I got out my 50 amp adapter and that solved the problem. At the time of the breaker tripping, the AC was running and the electric hot water heater was on and heating after I took a shower.

The following morning, I went to the office and ended up speaking with the owner. He came over, and was able to reset the breaker...I wasn't using enough pressure to force the breaker to reset. But, here is where my question evolves. He said that the newer 30 amp breakers that he is required to use by law tend to trip much more easily than the older breakers and he said that because of that, it is better to always use the 50 amp adapter. Does anyone have any experience or comments about this advice?? I know the adapter simply draws power on only one of the spades, so I don't see any reason not to use the adapter, but just wondering if anyone else has received this advice or uses the 50 amp adpater rather than plugging into the 30 amp service.:@
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scbwr
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Again, thanks for all the responses.

Just a couple of points:
1. Local codes can dictate the type of breaker used.
2. I've been plugged into 30 amp service many times and have had the electric HWH running along with the AC and haven't tripped circuits. Now, if the breaker had reset, I would have flipped the water heater to propane.
3. I tried resetting the breaker without any load at all, i.e. I disconnected the PI EMS. The owner had to press very firmly at the off position of the breaker, and then it did reset. Is the breaker faulty....I don't know.

Now, if I'm plugged in with the 50amp adapter, and the PG EMS is plugged into the power post (it's the portable model), I would think that if there was a short and 50 amps was sent to the PI EMS, the EMS would do it's job. That being the case, I don't see any danger in using the adapter! Any comments??
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hohenwald48
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dodge guy wrote:
hohenwald48 wrote:
What do you do in campgrounds where they have an additional charge for 50A service? Do you pay the charge or just use the 50 without paying or do you ask first?


My trailer is not a 50A trailer. So I don't worry about it.


Isn't the upcharge for the use of the 50A service? I didn't think it had anything to do with what your trailer uses. Depending on the time of the year I my trailer might only use 10 amps.
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hohenwald48
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Most of the campgrounds I go to usually have both available on the pedestal. The pedestal looks like the picture posted on page one of this thread.
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GaryWT
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If you pay for a 50 amp site then you can use it. If you do not pay for a 50 amp site then you don't have it available at the site.
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dodge_guy
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hohenwald48 wrote:
What do you do in campgrounds where they have an additional charge for 50A service? Do you pay the charge or just use the 50 without paying or do you ask first?


My trailer is not a 50A trailer. So I don't worry about it.
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hohenwald48 wrote:
What do you do in campgrounds where they have an additional charge for 50A service? Do you pay the charge or just use the 50 without paying or do you ask first?

The few campgrounds that I have stayed at that charged extra for 50A service charged more for the site with 50A service. So you paid the additional fee up front whether you used the 50A service or not.

Just what Mike posted while I was typing.

Walaby
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hohenwald48 wrote:
What do you do in campgrounds where they have an additional charge for 50A service? Do you pay the charge or just use the 50 without paying or do you ask first?

If you use it without paying, wouldn't that be akin to stealing?

I never ran into a camptground that has both on the same spot, but has an upcharge for 50a. Having said that, a state park I was recently at had two different types of spots, one with 50a, and others with 30a. It was cheaper for the 30a spots but those didn't have 50a as an option.

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hohenwald48
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What do you do in campgrounds where they have an additional charge for 50A service? Do you pay the charge or just use the 50 without paying or do you ask first?
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GaryWT
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Whenever 50 amp is available I use the dog bone and use the 50 amp. If only 30 amp is available I sometimes have no issues but sometimes it will trip. If it trips I put the water heater on gas.
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lbrjet
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When running the A/C put the WH on propane. Regardless of whether using the 30 or 50 amp receptacle.
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Lynnmor
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scbwr wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:

The only issue in using the 50A is that the wiring from the plug all the way to the trailers 30A breaker is not properly protected.


But, if my Progressive Industries PT30C is connected at the post, would that not protect the wiring?


No.

While it is very unlikely that a short would develop and cause a load of under 50 amps, it is possible. If it were to happen, the 50A breaker would not trip and the heat from the short, or the overloaded wiring, could cause a fire. That said, I would use the 50A dogbone, but only when the 30A is questionable.

myredracer
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CG owner is full of $^&*. Three possible reasons why the breaker tripped - overload/short, defective breaker, low voltage or any combination of these.

Running an AC plus electric water heater plus whatever else might have been running is pushing the limit of the 30 amp breaker. Won't know unless you used an ammeter to check. Any idea what the voltage was? Pedestal breakers can become faulty. They are in a harsh environment compared to indoor use (temp. extremes, humidity) plus they get a lot of on/off cycles.

I can find nothing in the NEC regarding a different type of circuit breaker requirement for RV pedestals (covered by art. 551 and 240). RV pedestal manufacturers (Milbank, Midwest Electric, etc.) list a standard type inverse time-current, thermal magnetic type breaker like what is in your converter panel or at home. Local AHJs can amend the NEC and some jurisdiction have their own electrical code, but I cannot find anything pertaining to RV pedestals other than the NEC.

The 30 amp pedestal breaker would be the exact same type as the 50 amp. If there was an overload condition, when using the 50 amp adapter, the 30 amp breaker in the converter panel would have tripped. How old might the pedestal be? The 30 amp breaker would not be a CAFCI, AFCI or GFCI. They don't make a 30 amp CAFCI anyway.

For the 30 amp pedestal breaker to trip immediately upon resetting it would indicate either a short circuit or high overcurrent condition. If the 30 amp converter panel and 50 amp pedestal breakers aren't tripping, it would suggest a problem with the pedestal breaker. Maybe a damaged shore power cord but not by the sounds of it. Could try plugging into the pedestal 20 amp GFCI with loads inside turned off and see if that trips.

There is no problem using a 30 to 50 amp adapter. Yes the upstream overcurrent protection is greater than the ampacity rating of the shore power cord, but the 30 amp breaker in the converter panel will limit the current draw on the cord and protect it. Wouldn't do that in building construction, but it's okay in the RV world (and marine). If they were unsafe in any way, they wouldn't be CSA approved.

If the OP tried to reset the pedestal breaker while nothing was shut off inside, it's probably going to trip again. Could have tried turning off the AC to see what happens. If the current with the AC, HWH and anything else was running and it did not trip the 50 amp pedestal breaker or the 30 amp in the converter panel, than the pedestal breaker had to be faulty.

The condition of some CG/RV park wiring and electrical equipment is atrocious and the owners or workers will make up all sorts of excuses. BTDT. Sometimes electrical work gets done by unqualified staff too. Below is a photo of a pedestal in a large CG on the Wa. coast - in terrible shape and doesn't meet code (20amp recept. removed). Entire CG was like that.

It's good practice to always use 50 amps on a pedestal if available. If an area of a CG doesn't have 50 amps in pedestals, move to an area that does - much more likely to have better voltage.

dodge_guy
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Terryallan wrote:
Me. I ALWAYS use the 50A for the TT. I then use the 30A for the things I plug in outside. Like my extra fridge, griddle, and oven.


X2! I have a dedicated 20A ckt on my trailer. I used to run the extension cord under the trailer. I even ran an outlet inside to power my small fridge inside or a small ceramic heater.
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dodge_guy
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I now only use my 50-30A connector if a 50A is available.

If the breaker you were using was that hard to reset then it is broken and may not work properly when needed.
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