Where are the modern euro style travel trailers?

[Proteus]

After going to a few RV shows, it’s just incredibly frustating that we can’t seem to find a travel trailer that doesn’t look and feel like it was designed back in the 80’s.
Closest i’ve seen to what we want is Airstream, but they seem ridiculously overpriced.
Looking outside the US, of course there are some amazing options, all in the $30-40k range equivalent. Where are the US manufacturers who can come close to this?
http://www.adria-mobil.com/caravans/alpina/
or this
http://www.coachman.co.uk/vip
The fit and finish, interior quality all seem lightyears beyond what we have available here. And they’re around half the price of an equivalent Airstream
Anyone know if anyone is importing these anytime soon?

[Slowmover]

A ten year old Airstream is better than any NEW conventional. Hell, my THIRTY year old Silver Streak is better.

Depreciation has done its thing at ten years. Value rises from then on.

Start looking at used examples.

And, no matter it’s size, you sure don’t need a pickup. That choice ruins highway stability.

FWIW, I paid a couple of dollars UNDER $30k for both vehicles, combined. Twelve years later, they’re worth as much or more. Granted, as third generation I knew what I was doing AND had some luck.

[FrankShore]

Look at Lance. They offer the Euro look!

[GrandpaKip]

Bumpyroad wrote:

GrandpaKip wrote:
There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.

I love it. legislate conditions to make something that is inherently not road worthy, road worthy?
bumpy

No idea if that is so.
The caravans I’ve seen throughout Europe tend to be pulled by diesel estate wagons on 2 lane roads, usually at 60 kmph or less. And with a long line of cars behind.
There isn’t a pickup culture over there, so caravans are designed to be towed by cars for the most part. The small SUV market is growing, though. I certainly wouldn’t want to drive my Silverado most places. We usually rent the smallest car that will take us and luggage.

[Bumpyroad]

GrandpaKip wrote:
There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.

I love it. legislate conditions to make something that is inherently not road worthy, road worthy?
bumpy

[bakerkids]

Check out the Avia by nuCamp, builder of T@B, T@G, and Cirrus.
Avia

[BarneyS]

Interesting video
That is really a beautiful trailer.
Barney

[GrandpaKip]

Proteus wrote:
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!

https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html

As long as you don’t exceed 60 mph and stay off high speed motorways, that is fine.
I also don’t think a cargo capacity of under 400 lbs. for a 23’ camper would do well here.
There are lots of reasons why the Europeans make their caravans the way they do, but most US Americans wouldn’t like them.
I do like the interiors, though.

[GrandpaKip]

Lynnmor wrote:

Proteus wrote:
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!

https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html

So they have somehow bypassed basic physics and built a trailer that doesn't sway with little tongue weight? :h

Nope, the physics are the same. However, their caravans are designed differently than our campers. There are also speed restrictions and highway restrictions that tend to eliminate sway starting. There are some interesting articles on the subject written by some Aussies and Brits.

[Lynnmor]

Proteus wrote:
And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!

https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html

So they have somehow bypassed basic physics and built a trailer that doesn't sway with little tongue weight? :h

[Proteus]

And here is other gorgeous German TT that doesn’t exist here. Well balanced with low tongue weight so easily towable by a mid size SUV. Wonderful modern interior design. It just makes no sense why we don’t have these options here! All we have is cheap ****...or Airstream. And even the airstreams have much higher tongue weight than they should. Drives me nuts!

https://www.eriba.com/en/models/caravans/eriba-nova-s/living-area.html

[2112]

RobertRyan wrote:
They make these in China, not many Australians like the Chinese input.There was another made in China Caravan called Gold Star Chinese have decimated the basic camper trailer industry. Manufacturers have gone to more value added Hybrid Caravans
They are in a Australian style, but are dodgy in hidden areas. Hate to say it but these are better than the US imports

That last sentence says it all

[Jay_Coe]

SoundGuy wrote:

SoundGuy wrote:
The problem here is simple - NA buyers are just not willing to pay for campers of this quality. :R

trail-explorer wrote:
That's a travel trailer (or Caravan) not a camper.
A camper is something that's hauled in a truck, i.e., Truck camper

Baloney - a "camper" is anything with wheels designed for the purpose of camping that you want it to be - popup, hybrid, travel trailer, TC, 5th, MH, whatever, or in places like Australia a car camper, poptop, caravan, whatever you want to call them - they're ALL campers. :R

Yup, anything you can easily move around and sleep in that isn't a tent is a camper.

[RobertRyan]

Hybrid Caravan

[RobertRyan]

normal_dave wrote:
Looks like we have an importer setup in the US now for these. Ran across them on another forum. Can't believe I wasn't up to speed on these... Curious if RobertRyan has any knowledge of the parent company?
Black Series Campers

They make these in China, not many Australians like the Chinese input.There was another made in China Caravan called Gold Star Chinese have decimated the basic camper trailer industry. Manufacturers have gone to more value added Hybrid Caravans
They are in a Australian style, but are dodgy in hidden areas. Hate to say it but these are better than the US imports