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White Rim Trail, Canyonlands NP 2014.4 TR

acudr
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White Rim Trail TR 2014.4

First, I must say Wow! The White Rim Trail (WRT) is BIG. When you are down in the canyon, it is difficult to gage the scale of the formations around you until you see a truck or a person for perspective. Even then the distance and size can be deceptive.

The WRT has been on my list a long time. I didn’t want to do it alone as the trail is far from help if needed. Luckily, my friend Dave has also been interested in doing the trail for a long time and worked very hard to get permits. There are not many campsites down on the trail, so access is very limited. Maybe 1 – 4 sites per camp zone. As the trail is a NP, it is very regulated.





The WRT is a road built in the early 1900’s to get to Uranium that was supposed to be in the canyon. As I understand, some was found, but not that much. The road is on a layer of White Rim Sandstone deposited some 220 million years ago. The depth of these canyons goes back some 320 million years. For perspective, the deepest canyons where we live near Anza Borrego State Park go back about 8 million years. The Canyonlands NP canyons are huge, both in breadth and depth. Also in beauty!

There were also a lot of logistics to the trip. First I needed to make sure my truck was ready. I brought my truck in for fluids, new air filter, to check for any loose bolts and fittings. (I looked too). I’ve had my tires for over 9 years and they were looking a little dry-rotted, so I ended up replacing them also with some Bridgestone All-Terrain E rated. I thanked myself many times on the trail for doing this!

It is a 2-day drive (14 hours / 7 per day) from San Diego, which took planning to determine where our layover days would be. Another is we expected to be on the trail for 6 days, and we wanted to have enough food and energy. Typically we can go 2-3 days on our battery before using the genni, and we can pack about 3 days of food in our fridge. Also, many of our longer trips bring us through towns to restock. This time we took a large cooler with both block and cube ice, and because we were driving every other day, my batteries would get charged. This worked out. The other fellow with a camper coming with us, Eric, had a solar panel on his camper and had a 12-volt cooler to supplement his fridge. I envied his solar. Dave was using dry ice for cooling and was tenting.

Our first stop was a very nice AZ state campground and perfectly located off Route 15 called Virgin River Campground. Nice Sites and easy access from the highway. We met Dave and his DW and our excitement was high. Our way back home we stopped at the Double Tree in Flagstaff. Very nice.

Dave, our team leader, has an 87’ Toyota Land Cruiser FJ60, a classic. He outfitted a screen safety door on top of his racks to use as a platform to carry much of his gear. He needed to do this because his DW invited 2 of her friends to join us. Two women from Sweden (originally Cuba and Czechoslovakia). One was here for a conference and for the other, this would be her first time to the States! What a cool way to see our country. She rode with Eric in his 2008 Dodge 2500 CTD with a Four-Wheel Hawk. A perfect set up for this trail. A light camper on a powerful truck. My rig is a 2004 Dodge 2500 CTD with a Northstar pop-up TC800.

Our team met in Moab for dinner at the restaurant Zax. We enjoyed ourselves getting to know each other. We found out we were lucky to be in town for our trip this weekend and not the next, as the weekend after was the Easter Jeep fest and Moab would be packed. Next morning we met at Eclectic Café for breakfast and last minute planning. We also stopped by the visitor center for our check in and swag.



The entrance to the White Rim Trail is Shaffer Road. An old mining road off the plateau and down into the canyon built by the government to get to Uranium claimed to be in the canyon. The east side of the White Rim Trail is easier with respect to the road than the west side. Even though, the Shaffer trail is steep, windy and on the edge…. It is not that hard to drive, however it is steep with sharp turns that kept me on my brakes. The road is slightly rutted which caused some camper rocking. I didn’t air down as I was waiting to see if I would need it. I never did, but think 10-20lbs might have made the ride a little smoother. The views were stunning.









The rest of the road to our first camping spot was slightly rocky, but not too bad. When we arrived at our first camp spot, called Airport, it was very windy so we decided to create a u-shaped wind block with our vehicles for the tents. Even with the wind block, the tents did get battered around quite a bit. We were able to fit all 7 of us in my camper to hang out and stay warm and out of the wind. A great thing about the interior of this N* without the head and shower is the open space. The 4-Wheel had the head and shower, which took up a lot of room for a small camper. It was fun to be packed into the camper drinking wine and getting to know each other a little better. The campsite was nice with only one other group. The pit toilet was clean and had a great view. It IS a National Park!





The next day was less wind and we had a blast exploring. The scale here is huge and probably doesn’t show in the pictures. Here is a picture with our campsite against the hugeness! This is a photographer’s paradise.



Some pictures of the area around Airport, with snow on the La Sal Mountains in the background.







Next day off to White Crack camp. The going was pretty easy with some great views from the apexes of the canyon edges. Truly spectacular. Also a little it scary as we drove around the edges. As you see all around us, these rocks break :0 … The trail was rocky, but not too technical. Basically, the WRT can be done easily with a light jeep type vehicle. The difficulty comes in with our heavy campers. Dave’s FJ did not have too much trouble. Eric’s Dodge with the 4-wheel also did not have much trouble. My vehicle was the heaviest and I had to take the road very slow to prevent too much rocking. My avg speed was about 5mph. White Crack campsite is beautiful, on the edge of a spit of white rim sandstone on the edge. It was still a bit windy so we re-created our wind block “U”. The views from this point were stunning.







The next morning we woke up to snow… None of our weather reports predicted snow. Quite the surprise and very cold. As the day went on the sun quickly melted the snow and we had a great day hiking, resting, and shooting pictures. The views from this camp spot were breathtaking. 270 degrees of canyons. Absolutely incredible.











I like this one!









And then…





oops…



Next day we’re off to Candlestick camp. This would take us over the famous Murphy’s Hogsback. There are a few “training” hills before MH that you never hear about that challenged us and got us ready for the big one. For heavy vehicles like ours, a challenging up and down. I think it is difficult to gage the largeness of these hills in the pictures. The up on Murphy’s is long, narrow, steep and very close to the edge. The down has some steep parts, is close to the edge and has the famous overhang, which would be challenging for a tall hard sided camper.







Dave going up “The HogsBack"!





The view from the top!



And the overhang…



And then down the other side…



A few miles later down the road, I was navigating a down when I heard a clunk sound from my front end. I broke the right anti-sway-bar linkage. I was thinking of undoing these before the trip….but didn’t. Glad this was not a significant breakage.







The rest of the way to Candlestick wasn’t too bad. Some hardrock with potholes, etc. Few more ups/downs. BIG views. Past Turks Head.



A white crack in the white rim sandstone. The rock could break anytime!



The camp is near the edge of the White Rim Sandstone. The layer here is very thick. Lot’s of great hiking from this campsite to views of the Green River. There were lots of “islands” on the rocks where water, crypto-biotic material, flowers and shrubs brought life.













Our last day on the trail we had Hardscrabble hill to go. My DW says to think of Hogsback as the training hill for Hardscrabble. She say’s Hardscrabble is longer, steeper, narrower. The turns are many and very tight (see video). I remember this steep left turn with the edge to the left, the hard rock to the right, thinking, I may not make this turn! Full thrusters with the diesel, blindly turning, praying my wheels stay on the track. Check the video to hear the exact wording! The views to the river are great. This is where the diesel shines, needing power and torque for this hill.



The end of the trail is the Mineral Springs road. A lot like the Shaffer down, except going up! Again, thankful for the power of the diesel.

Here are also some pictures from the rim top looking down on the trail.







All and all, a great trip and if you ever get the chance, this is where our pop-up truck campers shine. I do believe a well set-up lightweight hard side can do this, as evidence by TR’s before mine. However, you know those guys worked it and the overhang is tricky. These last pictures show some of the other on the road modifications. The first shows I reduced the airflow to the fridge pilot. The first night was very windy and in order for us to protect the tents, my vent was to the wind. I left a small hole to provide the needed oxygen and keep the fridge pilot on. The second show’s I lost a “fast-gun” somewhere on the trail. If you find it, please send back. There is a lot of bumping and the camper moved about quite a bit. Luckily I carry some chain and hooks for this situation and felt the camper was secure for our ride home. The road because of the scale looks smooth, but it’s not. My friend with the 4-wheel nicked his stairs which hung from his trailer hitch, so had to take them off.





We came home through Flagstaff and enjoyed the college town micro-brewery’s.

And here’s some video of the trucks on the trail!

WRT truck -camper video

Enjoy!
Bertram
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jefe_4x4
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Bertram,
I think your own personal history with off-road vehicles has a lot to do with your attitude on trails like the WRT. Those that come from a hard-core, rock crawling, expedition travel background have a leg up because they know what the stresses and strains to expect and purchase and prepare the rig for such torture. And, this type of person likes to feel the edge, the ozone of adventure before the lightening strike, motating like this. It's all perspective. I thought driving the WRT in a Land Cruiser was pretty dull (except for the scenery, of course) as there was NO challenge. Just point and shoot. With a light-weight (and even lighter weight with just one person traveling in it), less tall, less wide hard side TC with nothing on the roof, all weighty items down low; one side rear anti-sway bar disconnected; small tanks; a bullet proof, heat resistant drivetrain with lowered pressure in the wide, floatation tires, and a way to get said tires back up to road pressure at the end; camper centering brackets; loosened front tie-downs; very much loosened rear tie-downs, camper shocks removed; and tiers of recovery gear you can face the challenge of the WRT. Personally, I thought it was a piece of cake as I could 'feel' the rig and it's interplay with the trail in a way I was taught by trails past in Jeeps and Land Cruisers. For instance: the worst thing to do to your TC when off-road is to twist up the axles. Because of the weight and relatively stiff suspension components to carry that weight, it puts tremendous torque stress on your frame/suspension/truck bed/TC frame. This is why real off-road Truck Camper adventurers select a tray or flat bed with a 3 or 4 point pivoting system to keep the TC flat while allowing the frame and suspension to flex away with impunity. When moving over undulating trails i am constantly on the lookout for the 'best' route through to have the least amount of axle-twisting possible. I'm thinking this has led to the tight condition of my old Lance. It will still stand on 3 legs without changing shape or racking. This is why is loosen the rear tie downs when the going gets rough as the truck bed drops away on one side with the suspension when racking and there is no pressure to pull your camper's frame in concurrence. Even at my age, I'm still looking to 'smell the ozone' when faced with rough jeep trails.
BTW, I live near the Rubicon and it is in terrible shape having been loved to death by thousands upon thousands of jeepers and there is NO WAY a truck camper of any type can get over the trail. None. I remember the first time someone drove a full size pick up over the trail. It was like sausage making. You put it in one end in a rather large format and it comes out the other end a bit narrower. The truck was about 8" narrower of sheet metal at the end.
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acudr
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sabconsulting wrote:
c.traveler2 wrote:
silversand wrote:
Mello Mike wrote:
For us hard-side TC'ers, I suppose we could air down the tires if we needed to get below that rock overhang.


Mike:

If my memory serves, I believe that both Alex's and Jefe's hard-side truck campers are considerably narrower than the standard hard-side (Wolf Creek outside dimension is 96 inches; Alex's and Jefe's outside dimensions are in the ~~84 inch range) ?? Can you guys confirm ?

The extra ~12 inches of width on those standard hard-side campers could be a deal breaker on the WRT (it would be good to verify _somehow_ if a 96 inch wide camper would work at this section of trail, or if you'd require a parachute and/or be ready to bail with the door slightly ajar on the rock wall side)... think once you are committed, there is no reversing back down the trail...easily.


jefe4x4 Lance 165s (short bed) and my Lance 815(long bed mode) are the same dimensions, 86.5 inches wide without the jacks on. This is a good advantage in areas such as the WRT. Those with a Hard Side TCs need to really consider their height and width for trails like this,rear departure angle is extremely important.

Check out all the White Rim Trail trip reports if your a hard side TC and want to do this trail.


My camper is about the same width (maybe 90" to the ends of the brackets the jacks mount to) and since the truck sits lower is only 112" high (to the top of the moon roof). I've found the compact dimensions really useful for exactly this type of situation, plus there are a lot of very narrow (vehicle-width) lanes over here with overhanging trees where anything wider or higher would be a real limitation.

Steve.


Dimensions definitely matter for a trip like this... But also weight. I find carrying the wt. the challenge. At 2-4000lb on a rock trail, a truck takes a beating. Getting up hills like Muphy's and Hogsback, I felt we had to push it. I was really glad for the power of the diesel, esp getting up hogsback. The rocking puts a lot of strain on the truck even at 5mph. A jeepy type vehicle could easily do this trail.
Bertram

sabconsulting
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c.traveler2 wrote:
silversand wrote:
Mello Mike wrote:
For us hard-side TC'ers, I suppose we could air down the tires if we needed to get below that rock overhang.


Mike:

If my memory serves, I believe that both Alex's and Jefe's hard-side truck campers are considerably narrower than the standard hard-side (Wolf Creek outside dimension is 96 inches; Alex's and Jefe's outside dimensions are in the ~~84 inch range) ?? Can you guys confirm ?

The extra ~12 inches of width on those standard hard-side campers could be a deal breaker on the WRT (it would be good to verify _somehow_ if a 96 inch wide camper would work at this section of trail, or if you'd require a parachute and/or be ready to bail with the door slightly ajar on the rock wall side)... think once you are committed, there is no reversing back down the trail...easily.


jefe4x4 Lance 165s (short bed) and my Lance 815(long bed mode) are the same dimensions, 86.5 inches wide without the jacks on. This is a good advantage in areas such as the WRT. Those with a Hard Side TCs need to really consider their height and width for trails like this,rear departure angle is extremely important.

Check out all the White Rim Trail trip reports if your a hard side TC and want to do this trail.


My camper is about the same width (maybe 90" to the ends of the brackets the jacks mount to) and since the truck sits lower is only 112" high (to the top of the moon roof). I've found the compact dimensions really useful for exactly this type of situation, plus there are a lot of very narrow (vehicle-width) lanes over here with overhanging trees where anything wider or higher would be a real limitation.

Steve.
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c_traveler2
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silversand wrote:
Mike:

A good recon/recce with the Jeep would be fun, too!

Alex:

Thanks for the fine details on camper width (I'd forgotten that you had removed the jacks, too!!).

Alex (and Jefe and AcuDr): what will you do as an encore with the truck campers? The Rubicon (I say this only half jokingly; for I know if there is a way, you'll figure it out!); or Groom Lake? Papoose Lake? :B

Cheers,
S-

jefe4x4 had posted a recent TCTR on our last Mojave Trail trip, which has it's own challenges with camper height due to all the Joshua Trees.
Myself, I'm going back into Death Valley (May) via south Pass to the hot springs then on to the Bristle Pine Cone Groves in Indyo NF, also planning another trip to the WRT in the first part of July.



Silver, I'm going to check out those places you suggested.
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silversand
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Mike:

A good recon/recce with the Jeep would be fun, too!

Alex:

Thanks for the fine details on camper width (I'd forgotten that you had removed the jacks, too!!).

Alex (and Jefe and AcuDr): what will you do as an encore with the truck campers? The Rubicon (I say this only half jokingly; for I know if there is a way, you'll figure it out!); or Groom Lake? Papoose Lake? :B

Cheers,
S-
Silver
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c_traveler2
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silversand wrote:
Mello Mike wrote:
For us hard-side TC'ers, I suppose we could air down the tires if we needed to get below that rock overhang.


Mike:

If my memory serves, I believe that both Alex's and Jefe's hard-side truck campers are considerably narrower than the standard hard-side (Wolf Creek outside dimension is 96 inches; Alex's and Jefe's outside dimensions are in the ~~84 inch range) ?? Can you guys confirm ?

The extra ~12 inches of width on those standard hard-side campers could be a deal breaker on the WRT (it would be good to verify _somehow_ if a 96 inch wide camper would work at this section of trail, or if you'd require a parachute and/or be ready to bail with the door slightly ajar on the rock wall side)... think once you are committed, there is no reversing back down the trail...easily.


jefe4x4 Lance 165s (short bed) and my Lance 815(long bed mode) are the same dimensions, 86.5 inches wide without the jacks on. This is a good advantage in areas such as the WRT. Those with a Hard Side TCs need to really consider their height and width for trails like this,rear departure angle is extremely important.

Check out all the White Rim Trail trip reports if your a hard side TC and want to do this trail.
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Mello_Mike
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silversand wrote:
Mello Mike wrote:
For us hard-side TC'ers, I suppose we could air down the tires if we needed to get below that rock overhang.


Mike:

If my memory serves, I believe that both Alex's and Jefe's hard-side truck campers are considerably narrower than the standard hard-side (Wolf Creek outside dimension is 96 inches; Alex's and Jefe's outside dimensions are in the ~~84 inch range) ?? Can you guys confirm ?

The extra ~12 inches of width on those standard hard-side campers could be a deal breaker on the WRT (it would be good to verify _somehow_ if a 96 inch wide camper would work at this section of trail, or if you'd require a parachute and/or be ready to bail with the door slightly ajar on the rock wall side)... think once you are committed, there is no reversing back down the trail...easily.


Thanks, Silver. You bring up a good point about the width. I'll have to look into that as well. Either way, I'm not hell bent on doing this drive in the TC. I'm totally okay doing it in the Jeep if needed.
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silversand
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Mello Mike wrote:
For us hard-side TC'ers, I suppose we could air down the tires if we needed to get below that rock overhang.


Mike:

If my memory serves, I believe that both Alex's and Jefe's hard-side truck campers are considerably narrower than the standard hard-side (Wolf Creek outside dimension is 96 inches; Alex's and Jefe's outside dimensions are in the ~~84 inch range) ?? Can you guys confirm ?

The extra ~12 inches of width on those standard hard-side campers could be a deal breaker on the WRT (it would be good to verify _somehow_ if a 96 inch wide camper would work at this section of trail, or if you'd require a parachute and/or be ready to bail with the door slightly ajar on the rock wall side)... think once you are committed, there is no reversing back down the trail...easily.
Silver
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c_traveler2
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Excellent photos along with your report,it's amazing how the weather changes the landscape out there. jefe 4x4 and I had some rain during our adventure along the WRT and Mother Nature treated us to a double rainbow.
Click on pic for video


For those who have Hardside TCs and are interested in trans-versing this wonderful trail I suggest you read jefe4x4 and mine TC reports on the White Rim Trail.
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GoinThisAway
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Love that canyon country. Lovely pictures and an excellent story. Thanks for giving me a much needed lift.
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hikerdmb
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Great trip and pics. Love Canyonlands N.P. Good way to get to know everyone, putting everyone in the camper. Looked like a fun time was had by all. Liked the video too.
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spacedoutbob
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Great Trip Report and Photos, Thank you very much for posting them. It makes you feel like you're there.

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jefe_4x4
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We were at 30 pounds rr, and 32 pounds frnt of air for the entire trip. We're always running lower pressure, off-road, so we don't get beat to death as much as better traction.
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Mello_Mike
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acudr wrote:
Mello Mike wrote:
For us hard-side TC'ers, I suppose we could air down the tires if we needed to get below that rock overhang.


"How low can you go!" :E


I'm at 10'4" now like Jefe 4x4. Just saying that if I needed another inch or two I could do it. 🙂
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