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Re: Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question
Seen a Canyon V6 in the campground last night with a Keystone Passport 2510. Dry weight of around 5k. Said it tows really good, he keeps it around 60mph. He also said he had a Honda Ridgeline he used to tow with and the motor went on it. Ouch! Nice to see a direct comparison with my own eyes. Thanks for all the informative and helpful comments everyone made.
Jul 03, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Re: Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question
SoundGuy wrote: My Coachmen Freedom Express came with a grill that pulls out of the sidewall so the first thing I did was swap it out for a stove - no way I want a grill that smokes and leaves behind a greasy grilling smell anywhere near the camper. A 2-burner Coleman camp stove doesn't, for grilling I park a Weber Q120 on the campsite picnic table well away from the camper. Regardless of the mocking no way I'd pull either of these trailers with anything less than my V8 Silverado. :R Yeah, I worry about a grill also. Am probably going to give it a chance though. Have a Weber Q also. Really like it, but wouldn't mind having something easier to store. As far as towing, obviously full size is the way to go, but I'm not giving up my truck. I feel like it's going to be ok with what we're looking at. Decided to go with the Coachmen Apex 245BHS. Getting a really good price on an '18, but have to drive to Cincinnati to pick it up (5 hour drive). I guess I'll find out right away how well the truck can handle it. Nervous though. I haven't towed anything that large which I'm not terribly worried about, but that is a long haul for me. Everywhere we've gone has been inside of an hour.
Jul 01, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Re: looking for opinions on R-Pod and NoBo's
We have a 2017 Coachmen Apex Nano 193bhs. 3500 pounds unloaded. We really like it and it has a lot of interior room with the slide. No issues with any defects. Have had 7 people inside and felt comfortable. Their line of Nanos might be worth a look.
Jul 01, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Re: Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question
Wow that’s awesome to hear! Even with my smaller camper, the rpm’s will climb pretty high and I see stories of these trucks running 4500+ rpm’s for extended periods hauling larger trailers, but are meant to handle it. Do you experience that kind of rpm with yours? Also, I read about rear suspension trouble after a couple years of towing. Do you have upgraded suspension or notice any premature wear? What Passport model do you own? Any gripes about it? Thanks for the info.
Jun 25, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Re: Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question
So, at a 1000 lbs, did that include a filled water tank or empty?
Jun 24, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Re: Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question
Yeah, if you're towing with a full water tank that definitely jacks up the weight. (8.3 lbs a gallon for water). We won't do that for sure. We also try to make some choices to keep weight down, even in our small camper. I certainly hope we don't cross 1000 extra pounds, but I've never weighed our camper loaded either. Maybe I'll get it done before we go out (next week). That will give me an accurate idea of what I will have in any subsequent camper. Thanks for your input! Hopefully, some others will have thoughts on loaded weights too.
Jun 24, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Re: Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question
My understanding of GVWR is the maximum the weakest part of the unit can support. Be it the tires or the axles or the frame itself. The 245 has a gross weight of 6500#. I could not find the gross weight on the 2400, but it does say it has a 2070# carrying capacity. That leads me to believe its gross weight is between 6500 and 7500 lbs. There is no way I am loading a trailer with 1800-2100# of stuff. I am surprised that you are getting 1400# in yours, unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying. The GVWR again, I believe, is maximum recommended. Not how much it ways when loaded. If you don't fill your fresh water tank or pull with full black/gray tank it's unlikely any of us are getting near our GVWR. I do realize though a 4700# camper will be significantly heavier loaded. I am figuring 500 to 1000 lbs though. Maybe others can shed some light on this and share their thoughts on how much heavier a loaded trailer is than its dry weight.
Jun 24, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Passport 2400bh or Apex 245bhs and tow question
First off, hello from a new joiner! My wife, 7yo son and I already enjoy camping in a Coachmen Apex Nano 193bhs. When we bought it a year and a half ago, it was the only camper that checked all of our must have boxes. A slide out, bunks, regular bed and mattress, very towable, full bath. We have had a lot of great experiences with it. But..... while searching for other related rv stuff, I came across the newly released Apex Nano 208bhs. The 208 offers everything we would have changed about our 193 and fixes some gripes, plus adds a couple other nice features with only a couple small drawbacks. I don't need to get into any of that however, as after towing my 193 around I feel I can handle a bigger camper than the 208 anyway. I think. So, my first question is, how reasonable is towing a 4700# dry weight camper with my 2016 Chevy Colorado? It has the gas V6 and is rated for 7000# towing and 1580# payload. Mine also has the 6 speed auto. The numbers support either of the campers I have in mind, but there is somewhat mixed feelings about its capability online. I would like to hear from real world users towing similarly sized rvs with my truck before I get into something that is a little more than I should. We would like to take a multiple hundred mile trip next year that I am mostly worried about. Normally we camp close to home and it won't be an issue if it's close to max for those times. Part two is, after researching a lot of campers, I have narrowed my choices to the Keystone Passport 2400bh and the Apex 245bhs. If my truck is appropriate. I will not be changing my vehicle, regardless. I have ruled out all campers at or nearer to 5000#. If these are more than I should handle, I will consider the 208 or possibly staying with the 193. Of the two, which would you recommend? Especially if you have owned either. Both have a ton of positives over each other. Some negatives and some unknowns. I will list my feelings on each for those unfamiliar and to better understand my preferences. Apex 245bhs. Frameless window option. Very sharp looking. Outdoor shower location at rear and near camp kitchen. (2400 backside) Power jack. Front bedroom has open shelf above head with power for stuff. 10' 2" height MIGHT fit in 10' tall door. (2400 10'8" no hope) Bunks have shelves with power outlet near for electronics and stuff. Has regular drawers in kitchen, not hidden in-cabinet drawers. Slide out has small cabinets in corners for extra storage. TV spins to bedroom or living area. Sink is recessed for flat surface with cover. (2400bh raised sink) 90" wide may help for towing visibility and economy. (But less room) Counter protrudes less into open area for more room. (2400 L-shape sticks out) Passport 2400bh. 96" wide likely will feel roomier but create towing concerns. Axles are further apart for help with controlling sway. Camp kitchen has sink. (245 does not) Under bunk storage. (245 does not) Much larger counter space. Bunk lights can be reached without crawling in. Camp kitchen has slide out trays, really increasing utility. Front bedroom has sliding doors. (245 has curtains) Pantry shelves can be removed and has bar for hanging clothes. I do not know if the 245 has an enclosed underbelly. The 2400 advertises it does. 245 slide out floor is raised as compared to flush on 2400. I do not know which is better. 2400 looks to have stove for camp kitchen. 245 has removable grill. I a can see both being beneficial. I am assuming that they can be purchased for similar enough price that it will be irrelevant. If there is more than a $2500 difference, it will change considerations. I am leaning toward one more than the other already, but don't want to bias responses that will affirm or dissuade based on my preference. Anyone that read this whole post and/or replies, thank you so much for your time!
Jun 24, 2018 Place Travel Trailer Group
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Dry weight of around 5k. Said it tows really good, he keeps it around 60mph. He also said he had a Honda Ridgeline he used to tow with and the motor went on it. Ouch! Nice to see a direct comparison with my own eyes. 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A 2-burner Coleman camp stove doesn't, for grilling I park a Weber Q120 on the campsite picnic table well away from the camper. Regardless of the mocking no way I'd pull either of these trailers with anything less than my V8 Silverado. :R Yeah, I worry about a grill also. Am probably going to give it a chance though. Have a Weber Q also. Really like it, but wouldn't mind having something easier to store. As far as towing, obviously full size is the way to go, but I'm not giving up my truck. I feel like it's going to be ok with what we're looking at. Decided to go with the Coachmen Apex 245BHS. Getting a really good price on an '18, but have to drive to Cincinnati to pick it up (5 hour drive). I guess I'll find out right away how well the truck can handle it. Nervous though. I haven't towed anything that large which I'm not terribly worried about, but that is a long haul for me. 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Even with my smaller camper, the rpm’s will climb pretty high and I see stories of these trucks running 4500+ rpm’s for extended periods hauling larger trailers, but are meant to handle it. Do you experience that kind of rpm with yours? Also, I read about rear suspension trouble after a couple years of towing. Do you have upgraded suspension or notice any premature wear? What Passport model do you own? Any gripes about it? 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(8.3 lbs a gallon for water). We won't do that for sure. We also try to make some choices to keep weight down, even in our small camper. I certainly hope we don't cross 1000 extra pounds, but I've never weighed our camper loaded either. Maybe I'll get it done before we go out (next week). That will give me an accurate idea of what I will have in any subsequent camper. Thanks for your input! 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Be it the tires or the axles or the frame itself. The 245 has a gross weight of 6500#. I could not find the gross weight on the 2400, but it does say it has a 2070# carrying capacity. That leads me to believe its gross weight is between 6500 and 7500 lbs. There is no way I am loading a trailer with 1800-2100# of stuff. I am surprised that you are getting 1400# in yours, unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying. The GVWR again, I believe, is maximum recommended. Not how much it ways when loaded. If you don't fill your fresh water tank or pull with full black/gray tank it's unlikely any of us are getting near our GVWR. I do realize though a 4700# camper will be significantly heavier loaded. I am figuring 500 to 1000 lbs though. 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My wife, 7yo son and I already enjoy camping in a Coachmen Apex Nano 193bhs. When we bought it a year and a half ago, it was the only camper that checked all of our must have boxes. A slide out, bunks, regular bed and mattress, very towable, full bath. We have had a lot of great experiences with it. But..... while searching for other related rv stuff, I came across the newly released Apex Nano 208bhs. The 208 offers everything we would have changed about our 193 and fixes some gripes, plus adds a couple other nice features with only a couple small drawbacks. I don't need to get into any of that however, as after towing my 193 around I feel I can handle a bigger camper than the 208 anyway. I think. So, my first question is, how reasonable is towing a 4700# dry weight camper with my 2016 Chevy Colorado? It has the gas V6 and is rated for 7000# towing and 1580# payload. Mine also has the 6 speed auto. The numbers support either of the campers I have in mind, but there is somewhat mixed feelings about its capability online. I would like to hear from real world users towing similarly sized rvs with my truck before I get into something that is a little more than I should. We would like to take a multiple hundred mile trip next year that I am mostly worried about. Normally we camp close to home and it won't be an issue if it's close to max for those times. Part two is, after researching a lot of campers, I have narrowed my choices to the Keystone Passport 2400bh and the Apex 245bhs. If my truck is appropriate. I will not be changing my vehicle, regardless. I have ruled out all campers at or nearer to 5000#. If these are more than I should handle, I will consider the 208 or possibly staying with the 193. Of the two, which would you recommend? Especially if you have owned either. Both have a ton of positives over each other. Some negatives and some unknowns. I will list my feelings on each for those unfamiliar and to better understand my preferences. Apex 245bhs. Frameless window option. Very sharp looking. Outdoor shower location at rear and near camp kitchen. (2400 backside) Power jack. Front bedroom has open shelf above head with power for stuff. 10' 2\" height MIGHT fit in 10' tall door. (2400 10'8\" no hope) Bunks have shelves with power outlet near for electronics and stuff. Has regular drawers in kitchen, not hidden in-cabinet drawers. Slide out has small cabinets in corners for extra storage. TV spins to bedroom or living area. Sink is recessed for flat surface with cover. (2400bh raised sink) 90\" wide may help for towing visibility and economy. (But less room) Counter protrudes less into open area for more room. (2400 L-shape sticks out) Passport 2400bh. 96\" wide likely will feel roomier but create towing concerns. Axles are further apart for help with controlling sway. Camp kitchen has sink. (245 does not) Under bunk storage. (245 does not) Much larger counter space. Bunk lights can be reached without crawling in. Camp kitchen has slide out trays, really increasing utility. Front bedroom has sliding doors. (245 has curtains) Pantry shelves can be removed and has bar for hanging clothes. I do not know if the 245 has an enclosed underbelly. The 2400 advertises it does. 245 slide out floor is raised as compared to flush on 2400. I do not know which is better. 2400 looks to have stove for camp kitchen. 245 has removable grill. I a can see both being beneficial. I am assuming that they can be purchased for similar enough price that it will be irrelevant. If there is more than a $2500 difference, it will change considerations. I am leaning toward one more than the other already, but don't want to bias responses that will affirm or dissuade based on my preference. 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