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Re: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
Charli wrote: Finally made it to the scales, what a surprise. 5er - '12 Cougar XLite 26SAB \ Dry Wt 6755, Pin Wt 1150 TV - '08 Ram 2500 Laramie, Quad, 4x4, CTD, 3.73 ======2500 Ratings===Without Trailer== With Trailer GAW-F ==5,200.========4,629.=======4,608. GAW-R ==6,200.========3,174.=======4,982. GVW====9,000.========7,803.=======9,590. GCW===20,000.=====9,590 + Trailer Axles 6,812 = 16,402. Payload==1,970.========1,197.=======-590. overweight Your pin weight ratio from the factory was 17%; as you loaded the camper it's over 20%. Can you move stuff to the backend of the camper(or at least behind the camper axles)? Since the only place you are over is GVWR hitched that may help some. The newer trucks have higher GVWRs and from what I hear higher yet is on the way. Lot's of competition in that area.393Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
Sundance07 wrote: OK here goes.... Truck Steer 4906 Drive 3828 Total 8734 Truck with 5er (full water) Steer 5170 Drive 6380 Trailer 12364 Total 23914 GCWR 28000 Truck+pin wt(2816) 11550 GVW 12300 Trailer+pin wt(2816) 15180 GVW 15500 What is the truck's GVWR?333Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
Alley Fox wrote: I called the manufacturer of my soon to be delivered fifth wheel and was surprised to find out they keep a weight record of every trailer as-built. My dry axle brochure weight is 8853 vs 8930 actual. Dry pin brochure weight is 2023 vs 2320 actual. Does not include, of course, batteries and propane fuel. The difference is mostly due to the 5.5K generator. I will weigh everything when I get it. Last time I weighed my TV with three adults and 1/2 tank of fuel, it weighed 3400 steer and 4600 drive (scale readout is in 50# increments). Dry pin weight 25.9% of dry actual weight at the factory? Ouch. Can you truck handle that large a share of the trailers listed GVWR? Don't know whether you have 2500 or 3500. Don't know of a 3/4 ton than can handle even 2320 pin weight.357Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
4kyyote wrote: PatricioFamily wrote: This is interesting. There is so much mis-information out there. For 6 months we were pulling a TT that we were told was 7800 lbs dry. Come to find out it was really 10,200 lbs. We have been wanting to find a truck weight station and test for ourselves what are weight really is just to be sure. But dont know if we are permitted to do this. We just thought it would be a good way to know for sure. What do you think? Anyone every tried this before? I don't know about your state, but up here in Maine, if the scales are open and busy, sometimes we find a "portable" State Police Scaler, usually in the spring, but most anytime. If not busy, you can ask if you see one, if they'd weigh you. This way you can weight each axle as well as whole rig. Or check w/your local S.P. barracks. Your taxes pay them don't forget. You can go to a Cat scale at any truck stop. The cost is about $10. You weigh twice, once hooked and once with just the truck. The ticket gives you weights for each axle of your TV and for the trailer axles combined.280Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
avvidclif1 wrote: Since you don't have any numbers on your vehicle loaded and ready to pull look at the Max Pin weight of 3500 and subtract the weight of the hitch you plan to use. Subtract another 1-300 lbs for misc junk in TV bed(tool boxes, etc). While shopping around the trailers will have empty weight and empty pin weight. From that figure the percentage of the trailer weight that is on the pin. Then go the other way and look at the GVWR for the trailer and using the percentage figured above calculate the max pin weight on the trailer when fully loaded. Now that you are probably completely lost here's an example which will make sense. You look at a trailer with empty weight of 10,000 and it has a pin weight of 2000. That means 20% of the trailer weight is on the pin. Now look at the GVWR for the trailer (how much stuff you can put in it + empty weight). If it is 13,000 multiply that by number you found of 20% and you get 2600 lbs. If that 2600 plus hitch plus other stuff totals less than 3500 you are good. Figuring the back way, most trailers have 18-20% of their weight on the pin. Subtract 500 for hitch etc gives 3000 for pin on TV. A trailer with a GVWR of 15000 and using 20% pin weight is exactly 3000. Look at the numbers on any trailer that interests you. If the GVWR is 15000 or less you are probably OK. You will have to figure your own percentage for pin weight on that trailer if it's close. Those are strictly my opinions based on what I have read. I'm not an injunir, I didn't even get a whiff of the fumes when the train went by. Cliff has it nailed. I would just add that how you load you trailer can have an impact. 100 lbs at the back end of the trailer (behind the axles) takes weight OFF the pin while 100 lbs in from of the trailer axles ADDs wieight to the pin.279Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
BusyC wrote: The rig we are looking at is a Keystone Mountaineer 346LBQ with a sticker shipping weight of 12020, a published pin weight of 2205, and a cargo capacity of 2240. According to our Ford dealership, based on the VIN of our truck, with all of the options we can tow up to 14,500lb. Your truck can TOW (ie pull) 14,500 pounds but it can only carry the difference between it's loaded weight (fuel, passengers, hitch, miscellaneous cargo) and it GVWR. Published pin weight are often low (although what you listed is closer than many). The normally accepted figure for estimating pin weight is to use 20% of the 5th wheel trailers GVWR which would be 2440 for your unit based on what you have provided. I don't know of a 3/4 ton pick up capable of carrying that much weight safely. Good luck.483Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
DW-gray wrote: GVWR will always be more the combined weight of the front and rear GAWR. I've never seen the combined weight of the front and rear GAWR more than the GVWR. I believe this is not correct. See the third line of a photo of my weight label: GAWR allows for extra wieght on one axle as long as you stay below GVWR (for a snow plow for instance). I have never seen a label where the total GAWR equaled the GVWR.286Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
soling2003 wrote: Thought I might as well add mine here too, 2010 F250 CC long, 6.4 diesel, long bed 4x4 with hitch, wife and full tank of diesel - tires are rated at 3750 lbs. Truck only - Front axle - 5240 Rear axle - 3540 With Grand Junction 35TMS pretty much fully loaded - Dry weight - 12840 Dry pin weight - 2273 GVW - 15500 Truck front axle - 5260 - rated at 6000 Rear axle - 6300 - rated at 6100 Trailer axles - 11540 - rated at 14000 pin - 2760 GCVW - 23100 - GCVWR 23000 I Know, I know, I am finding myself a few hundred pounds over here and there. We took a trip across a few mountain passes here in Wa and OR with no issues going up or down. Probably upgrade to a Dually one of these days. What is the GVWR of your truck? Hitched you weight as shown in your post is 12,100 lbs. The number I found for an F250 GVWR is 9200 lbs. If that is accurate you are nearly 3,000 lbs over your GVWR when hitched.440Views0likes0CommentsRe: Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal
CAT Scale Weights: (scale weight, rating) with FW hitched TV Steer Axle 4,400, 4,670 (under by 270) TV Drive Axle 5,280, 6084 (under by 804) TV total 9,680, 9,200 (over by 480) Trailer Axles 8,000, 10,050 (under by 2,050) Gross Combination weight 17,680, 22,000 (under by 4,320) TV only steer axle 4,400 drive axle 3,460 total 7,940 Thus Pin weight is 1,820, FW total weight is 9,820 and pin weight is 18.5% of FW total weight. All water tanks empty (fresh, both gray and black) LP tanks about 2/3 full FW loaded for travel Fuel tank full TV loaded for hauling Myself, DW, 5 yr old grandson There was 50-75 lbs of firewood in the TV box which will not be there on most trips and I am beginning to think I have more leveling material than I need. This can probable be reduced by another 50 lbs. There is plenty of room in FW GWR and CGWR to fill the fresh water tank (about 320 lbs) which will take weight off the pin as it is at the very back (is 200 lbs reasonable?) I do plan to have a pin box bike rack which when fully installed and with max load should be about 150 lbs. There was also some cargo in the FW which could be shifted to the back end. I am figuring we can get to within about 200 lbs. of TV GVWR with the adjustments. I think I am comfortable with that. Your comments are welcome.342Views0likes0Comments
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