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Re: Why doesn't the math work?
ol Bombero-JC wrote: Abby Normal wrote: I have received a lot of education from this forum, but I am back with another question. WOW!! - TEN pages of "education" for *this* question (so far)!!..:B Hope you made it past the first page (I didn't) - but..... hope your question/s have been adequately covered - in depth, LOL. BTW - *If* you have done that, you will be considered an Associate (or Honorary) Member of the Weight Police...:C ~ Done what?588Views0likes0CommentsRe: Why doesn't the math work?
wilber1 wrote: What are you towing that you need a 300 lb hitch? The 16K Draw-Tite manual slider I have been using for the past 14 years only weighs 158 lbs. plus the rails which come nowhere near 300 lbs total. The non sliding version only weighs 120 lbs. Some other options like the Anderson are even lighter still. Draw-Tite I used 300 lb. hitch as an example based on comments I read on this forum. We have since purchased a B & W Slider hitch which weighs 212 lbs. I appreciate all the input and advice given on this thread. Thank you all.348Views0likes0CommentsRe: Rig destroyed today!
As all have stated, I am so sorry for your loss, but so grateful that you, your wife and dog all made it out safely. Praying that you will not encounter any hassles during the replacement process. Looking forward to hearing that you are once again back on the road!517Views0likes0CommentsRe: Why doesn't the math work?
nohurry wrote: DavinD wrote: MFL wrote: Your truck is class 2 limited. This includes the 10,000 lb GVWR, even though it may have the same setup as the class 3 F350. Your payload is figured from the weight it left the factory, subtracted from the class limit of 10K. In reality your truck has more capability than the numbers show. Many just go by RAWR, when a FW is involved, as most all of the pin is carried by the rear axle. Jerry From Ford, for example, you can order a F350 with a 10,000 pound limit. Same truck, just a different sticker. This is to avoid higher taxes in some states. Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner! Abby, the reason your truck is "legally" 10,000 GVWR is because some states charge a fee for trucks over that weight. It's an option Ford gives us to avoid paying a tax. Your truck is more than capable of towing a fifth wheel. I would maybe install air bags to level it, as you don't have the overload spring the 350 does. Other than that it's the same truck as mine!!! You're not gambling at all. I guess you can tell I'm not the weight police, but look....All you out there towing fifth wheels with a 3/4 ton truck raise your hands.........See that! There are TONS (No pun intended), of folks happily doing it, and safely too. Your call of course, but believe me you'll be just fine not exceeding the tire, and overall combined ratings. Now, this makes sense!!! No wonder the math wouldn't work for me. Thank you all again for all of your help!!333Views0likes0CommentsRe: Why doesn't the math work?
sdetweil wrote: Abby Normal wrote: "Now you load your F250 with a diesel and plenty of other items and expect the ratings to remain at maximum? The math is the same. You need a bare bones truck and nothing else to tow at the max. Or get a bigger truck F350 or F450 if that is what you need." We weighed the truck with us in it and allowed an extra 170 lbs. for extras, and allowed 250 lbs. for a hitch to come up with our TV weight. We have a GCWR of 23,500 minus the loaded TV of 8,700, which leaves us a max loaded trailer weight of 14,800, not the 15,100 lbs. per the owners manual of the TV. This all sounds good until I get to the GVWR, which is only 10,000. If I only look at the axle rating I can get by with these numbers, but will definitely be over on GVWR. I know that I am still missing something. I desperately want to impress DH when I get it figured out! you are not missing anything, the numbers are the numbers.. you have to choose to live within them, or not. I chose not, and exchanged my F250 for a F350 DRW. I am happy. I know lots of folks that use the axle rating, and tire ratings and ignore the GVWR. I am not a gambler, so I don't want to go by the axle or tire ratings as some have suggested. We will just have to be happy with a TT until we are ready to upgrade the TV. Again, thank you all for your input.335Views0likes0CommentsRe: Why doesn't the math work?
"Now you load your F250 with a diesel and plenty of other items and expect the ratings to remain at maximum? The math is the same. You need a bare bones truck and nothing else to tow at the max. Or get a bigger truck F350 or F450 if that is what you need." We weighed the truck with us in it and allowed an extra 170 lbs. for extras, and allowed 250 lbs. for a hitch to come up with our TV weight. We have a GCWR of 23,500 minus the loaded TV of 8,700, which leaves us a max loaded trailer weight of 14,800, not the 15,100 lbs. per the owners manual of the TV. This all sounds good until I get to the GVWR, which is only 10,000. If I only look at the axle rating I can get by with these numbers, but will definitely be over on GVWR. I know that I am still missing something. I desperately want to impress DH when I get it figured out!336Views0likes0CommentsRe: Why doesn't the math work?
JIMNLIN wrote: op wrote: Why do manufacturers sell units as 1/2 ton towable when I can't get the math to work for our F-250 diesel? Its because you fell victim to doing the wrong math. Truck out here don't carry weight determined by its GVWR but rather by its axle/tire load ratings. Ford gives the F250 a 6100 RAWR so use it as the rest of the trucking world. Example is many new gen F250 may have a rear axle weight in the 2900-3000 lb range which leaves 3100-3200 lbs for a payload. The trucks front axle carries little to non of the trailers hitch weight. Your trucks actual numbers depends on actual scaled axle weights. Now if your F250 has the optional heavy service package then it has the same suspension as the F350 srw. Your F250 is the same as the F350 SRW with exception of the rear spring pack and the 18"/20" tires and wheels. Your F250 may come with the 18"/20" tires so your ahead at that level. Ok, let me see if I understand. According to Ford our truck has a max FW loaded weight of 15,100 lbs. Max rear GAWR of 6,290 lbs. and max payload of 3,ooo lbs. This means that we can safely tow a 5er that has no more than 2500 lbs. on the pin as long as the total weight of TV and RV doesn't exceed 23,500 lbs.,or the weight of the FW doesn't exceed 15,100 lbs.? All help is greatly appreciated!335Views0likes0CommentsRe: Why doesn't the math work?
"According to a recent post by the OP, this thread is about a travel trailer, not a fifth wheel." "I believe the unit is this one. Flagstaff travel trailer." Wrong on both counts. I am a newbie and I am just trying to understand the numbers the manufacturers of TVs and RVs put on their products.335Views0likes0Comments
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