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Re: Taking Personal Responsibility to new lows.
am1958 wrote: seagrace wrote: From the APA: "Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children. Americans’ acceptance of physical punishment has declined since the 1960s, yet surveys show that two-thirds of Americans still approve of parents spanking their kids." Grace... You'll note the wording of said piece. It states "can" where I have bolded it. "Can" does not equal "Will", period. There are a myriad of other factors that result in the adult you claim the simple application of a small amount of pain produces. Don't simplify an issue in order to try to make your point of view valid - you are lying to yourself more than to others. I'm not simplifying anything. It's y'all that prefer to teach using pain and fear that are simplifying and rationalizing. I'm showing you where you are wrong and you still deny it. No wonder this country is in such a mess. Twisting the meaning of the quote sure helps your conscious, though, eh? You don't have to take my word for it was the point. If you would just research it yourself, or actually read the article, or maybe some of the studies, it might help. For example, Did you know that 60 countries have banned spanking children? Numerous studies have been conducted on this issue, and many experts today advise against it. Here is a link to the article I quoted: http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx But hey, don't take my word for it. How about this, you people that support this form of abuse, point out some studies that show that spanking is a beneficial and positive form of discipline, I'm always interested in learning more. p.s.- anecdotal evidence, i.e. "I was spanked and I turned out okay" is invalid.616Views0likes0CommentsRe: Taking Personal Responsibility to new lows.
Bobbo wrote: seagrace wrote: "Spanking done with vengeance or spite is not discipline. Spanking done out of love, while perhaps more painful to the parent, is not abuse" wrong. Spanking teaches a child that if you want to force someone to comply to your will, just hit them. You may think that because you are a mature adult, you can administer this discipline without being angry, but that is a ridiculous assertion. You spank because you are angry that your child is misbehaving. That is all. Own it. This attitude is a very large part of why today's society takes no responsibility for whatever they do. Growing up, I learned, shall we say, "instant tactile feedback." Of my 5 kids, 2 of them required "instant tactile feedback," but the other 3 did not. The ones who needed it got it. Neither of them grew up thinking it was OK to hit other people. They all, also, take responsibility when they do something wrong. Standing in the corner, writing lines, losing TV for the night, just don't carry the immediate repercussion that is needed for a child to learn. You could not be more wrong. Cute euphemisms like this "instant tactile feedback." make you feel better about it though, right? From the APA: "Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children. Americans’ acceptance of physical punishment has declined since the 1960s, yet surveys show that two-thirds of Americans still approve of parents spanking their kids."615Views0likes0CommentsRe: Taking Personal Responsibility to new lows.
jplante4 wrote: 2012Coleman wrote: So had the reviewer experienced more corporal punishment growing up, they would have realized the incident could have been their own fault, and therefore written a more positive review? That's quite the condensation of several pages of comments. I believe where this went was if the reviewer had gotten a swift smack on the butt instead of being told they're special, they would have known the difference between right and wrong, would have known that they made a mistake, and there would have been no review at all. Look at some of the most recurrent themes in this forum - camping etiquette, blocking fuel pumps, picking up after pets. At the bottom of these threads is a group of people who never learn how to behave in polite society. These are people who got away with this type of behavior as kids with no real repercussions. I certainly agree with this assessment. However, there are (IMHO better) methods for teaching right and wrong than beating it into someone. You wonder why so many people resort to violence to resolve issues - ex: Road Rage? They are taught that violence is an acceptable solution by parents that "spank" them and they are simply putting that "life lesson" to use. Not beating your children as discipline does not equal bad parenting. In fact, I would and am, arguing that a non-violent approach is BETTER parenting. It requires parents to exhibit discipline themselves, and find creative and productive approaches to parenting. Bad parenting comes from parents that don't care, and that is carried on through generations.515Views0likes0CommentsRe: Taking Personal Responsibility to new lows.
"Spanking done with vengeance or spite is not discipline. Spanking done out of love, while perhaps more painful to the parent, is not abuse" wrong. Spanking teaches a child that if you want to force someone to comply to your will, just hit them. You may think that because you are a mature adult, you can administer this discipline without being angry, but that is a ridiculous assertion. You spank because you are angry that your child is misbehaving. That is all. Own it.441Views0likes0CommentsRe: Taking Personal Responsibility to new lows.
am1958 wrote: My father put the cane to my rear more then once... I'm still not a serial killer... Odd that... My father did this too. I'm not a serial killer either. Unfortunately, however, it caused a lifetime of resentment that lasts to this day, well past his demise. The good of this is that it caused me to raise two beautiful, intelligent, socially responsible and respectable women without having to resort to beating them as "discipline"408Views0likes0CommentsRe: West of Chicago/Wicker Park area
Thanks Gizmos Mom - I am actually looking at that option, but I've also got family in Crystal Lake that have room for me. It's a longer drive in to the big city, but heck, after four years of college in a different state, I'm getting used to the long commutes :-)266Views0likes0CommentsRe: Camping World online...........Seriously?
I like the CW stores too. I've found some great deals at the Mesa store, and I was totally unaware they honored the internet pricing in the store. It would have saved me almost $20 (the item was on special), but, in order to use the coupon, I had to buy in the store, and I payed shelf price, so essentially, even with the coupon, I paid about what I would have on Amazon, effectively negating any savings and goodwill they could have earned.204Views0likes0CommentsWest of Chicago/Wicker Park area
So in a couple of months, I will be road-tripping with my daughter, taking her to Chicago to perform a "City Year" community-service year. This program pairs college graduates with inner-city schools to give the teachers a hand. Anyway, I'm gonna be dragging a 25' Toyhauler filled with her furniture. I'd like to "stage", or find an easily accessible park or campground not too far out of the city that I can drop the camper off, then take the furniture into town with the truck. I want to avoid pulling a trailer through that rush-hour traffic, or any traffic for that matter. Anyway, I'm hoping for some suggestions hopefully near Kennedy or Eisenhower expressways, like maybe Schaumburg? I have family in Crystal Lake and Woodstock, but that's just too far to commute. Anybody have any suggestions?1.2KViews0likes5Comments
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