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Re: Newbie: Towing TT w/ 2008 Toyota Sequoia
drsteve wrote: bluepost wrote: Again, the 3/4 ton trucks are the ones that are under braked, taking 200 ft to stop from 60mph. The Sequoia takes less than 130ft. But yes, an exhaust brake is an excellent device. Some of that lackluster performance is because a pickup truck has little weight in the rear. So do 1/2 tons and they stop in about 130 ft. 3/4 ton brakes are about 13.9-14.2 diameter and have GCWR of 19k-28k lbs. F150 has 13.8 diameter front brakes and has GCWR of 14-17k. The Sequoia has 13.9 diameter brakes and a GCWR of less than 14k lbs. 3/4 tons have the same or .2 inches of additional brake diameter, albeit more on the rears for additional 5k-14k lbs of combined weight rating. Again, stopping 15k-28k lbs with the about the same sized brakes as a Sequoia doing it with 13,500. 3/4 ton and full ton trucks are definitively better tow vehicles, but brakes aren't the reason. Diesel engine braking can't be beat.......but I would be curious how the engine braking is with a 6 cylinder F150 ecoboost towing 10k lbs629Views0likes0CommentsRe: Newbie: Towing TT w/ 2008 Toyota Sequoia
I tow 6500 lbs with a Sequoia all over the Sierras. Death Valley, Yosemite, Sequoia, Donner Pass. Right behind my house is Mt Rose hwy to Lake Tahoe...5000 ft to 9200 ft to 6200 ft all in 18 miles. I never have to ride my brakes, and rarely do I need to even drop to 2nd. At 55 mph there is enough wind drag that I only downshift for cautions sake. And again, the Sequoia brakes are dual caliper with a diameter larger than the last generation F250, yet the Sequoia weighs 1000lbs less. Again, the 3/4 ton trucks are the ones that are under braked, taking 200 ft to stop from 60mph. The Sequoia takes less than 130ft. But yes, an exhaust brake is an excellent device.632Views0likes0CommentsRe: Newbie: Towing TT w/ 2008 Toyota Sequoia
travelnman wrote: If I were you the biggest surprise may come when your approaching a steep downgrade. Those with the runaway ramps with DMV warnings all over the place for tuckers to check their exhaust brakes and other equipment. A small tow vehicle will be burning brakes on the way down with all that weight behind it plus your load inside the vehicle. It may be best to stay with the corn fields until you get something more heavy duty to tow with, watch elevations on maps, and know the road ahead. I have seen semi's burning brakes smoking up the highway your Toyota will probably do the same as the brakes get hot they become less affective all you can do is hope the bottom is coming up soon or consider those runaway ramps if you get into trouble. They will still ask "are we there yet". I saw a guy pulling your load with a Ford Explorer the sales people said would work, it looked like a accident about to happen going down the road. He made it from Chicago to Colorado like that, I told him not to make the return trip with all those people on board and then he would still be a road hazard. I saw him leaving the park with his TV antenna up.631Views0likes0CommentsRe: Newbie: Towing TT w/ 2008 Toyota Sequoia
Lots of drama on this forum. Yes, you bought too much trailer. Yes, you can safely tow that trailer with your Sequoia, as you said, with only you. If you load it with 1000 lbs of stuff (that is quite a bit of stuff, yes people load more, lots of people load less) you will be at 8000lbs. That is 960lbs of TW at 12%. The WD hitch will take care of its own weight. That leaves 300 lbs for you and a huge 44 oz big gulp. It won't be convenient, or easy, but you can do it. An 8000lb trailer pushing a 6000 Sequoia is no worse than a 12k lb trailer pushing a 7000lb 3/4 ton. The Sequoia brakes are bigger than the last generation F250.....not that it matters BRAKING IS NOT ON THE TOW VEHICLE. A 3/4 ton won't stop a 8000lb trailer any faster than a Sequoia. Some F250s have empty 60-0 braking distance over 200ft!!! Ram 2500 is 195ft, Chevy also over 200 ft. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-ram-2500-3500-in-depth-model-review-2017-ram-2500-3500-performance-and-driving-impressions-review-car-and-driver-page-4A Sequoia is 127ft. "In Edmunds brake testing, the Toyota Sequoia required 127 feet to come to a stop from 60 mph, which is a short distance for SUVs in this class." It will always be about how well the trailer brakes work, it's tires, it's loading and the brake controller. Any trailer has it's own stopping distance with it's current weight and brakes. That distance is combined with the tow vehicles stopping distance. "Well if the brakes fail"....ya ya, I'd rather be in a Sequoia with a 8000 lb trailer behind me than a 1 ton SRW with 15k behind me during a trailer brake failure. 15% tongue weight is not "better". The more tongue weight the more down force on the hitch during a hard stop, which is less weight on the front braking axle. The least tongue weight that naturally (without sway control) doesn't result in sway is best. Panic stop at 68mph while towing? Pretty sure that wouldn't of been a panic stop at 60mph. I love the weight police that talk about towing at 70 mph. Stopping distance at 60mph is 239 ft. At 68 mph it is 298 ft. A 59 ft difference....the difference between crunching metal and stopping 59 FT short of it. You won't be able to tow in 25 mph crosswinds....or snow storms, or through a tornado, or T Storm. So be it. Just don't corner yourself in with a time crunch. Strong winds don't normally last over 24 hours. If you get it, enjoy your new rig, don't get tempted to load it up and go, it will tow fine with just you. Have fun with your family and take it slow. Keep an eye on a better tow vehicle or smaller trailer when you are ready. And this goes for everyone including myself....just because you have done something for a long time, doesn't mean you are any good at it. I don't see many taxi drivers racing Nascar.629Views0likes0CommentsRe: Xterra pro 4X towing abilities
Had an Xterra for 11 years.....spent $33 on repairs from zero miles to 188k miles. Great truck for us. We towed all sorts of stuff with it.....but as others have said your limitation will be payload in the truck itself. If you only have two people in the truck, and a PROPERLY loaded trailer, the actual tow weight of 5k would be fine. Keep the extra weight in the trailer low and centered over the axle. Do NOT just dump everything in the front storage area...all the extra weight up there will exacerbate any porpoising. I'd agree with the 3500lb empty recommendation....that would be 4300 ready to camp max....about 650 lbs of tongue weight at 15%.....not sure if that hitch is rated for over 500 lbs or not. If it isn't your max would be about 4000lbs at 12% tongue weight.918Views0likes0CommentsRe: Why a pickup?
Most full sized SUVs use the same drivetrains and frames as their 1/2 ton counterparts. Toyota, Ford, GM. What is usually different is the suspension. Some knock SUV suspensions, but SUVs often have air suspension, which is a real plus. Empty full sized SUVs also tend to be heavier than their truck counterparts, assuming the payload numbers work this can be an advantage too. So to answer your question, in the sizes you’re talking about, there isn’t any reason why a 1/2 ton truck would tow better than a full sized SUV with similar payload capacity. It might even tow better.564Views0likes0CommentsRe: New 30ft Trailer Towing Experience
RedRocket204 wrote: bluepost wrote: I don't see where the hitch rating was ever de-rated. It obviously had to be at least 1000 lbs prior to J2807 to support a 10,000 max tow rating which would equate to a 10% tongue weight, the lightest I have ever seen specked out. If this was in regards to my post, I was only pointing out the tow capacity of the 2010 Sequoia, which I recall was at 9100 lbs. It was on the 2011 Sequioa, with no change to the vehicle itself, where the tow capacity changed to 7100 lbs. I recall those numbers but could be slightly off by 100 lbs or so. The Tundra also saw it's tow capacity fall as well for 2011, although not as much. In case someone else is reading and trying to justify a use case for a Sequoia, I'll restate my opinion. I would not tow anything above 7000 lbs with our 2010 Sequioa Ltd. Under 7000 lbs, most likely but depends. I tow at altitude every time I tow. At altitude where I tow, up to 11,000 ft, I wouldn't want to tow anything above 6000 lbs with our Sequioa. I'd agree with those numbers. It seems to me in my limited experience that the j2807 numbers got it about right. 7000-7400 depending on trim. I've seen people still advising to use the "85%" rule and only tow 85% of rates capacity. Based on the reductions made with 2807 I'd say that was good advice in the past...not sure it's needed now. But towing 11,000 lbs with a 5500 lb F150 might give me pause, even if it's now 2807 certified.1.3KViews0likes0Comments
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