All ActivityMost RecentMost LikesSolutionsRe: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 Investigation NinerBikes wrote: VW is experiencing far, far fewer failures with running the same design, smaller piston bore, longer stroke from the cam and limiting max pressure developed to 1800 bar pressure. Wasn't lower pressure what Krebs, or was it Jodl recommended to the leader?Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 Investigation Arizona1 wrote: Rick, The thread you spoke about over at TDS was closed today or yesterday. Well...... They let it go for a little while......... NewsW wrote: OK, lets start betting on the thread. 1 round of drinks (for the 3 of us) that it will be gone by 12/08/12 noon. Right on schedule!Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 Investigation NinerBikes wrote: Another glaring fault by NHTSA... They did NOT request the number of HPFP failures of Jetta Sportwagens "JSW"s with bad HPFP's in their data requests of Volkswagen of America. Here's a link to some raw data failures of number of replaced HPFP's in VW's, by area, by state, by date.Excel file of failures There's a sh*t ton of these failures, and the data is missing for All 2009 to 2012 jetta Sport Wagen TDI's in here, also... evidently NHTSA forgot to ask about that model also. They couldn't find a cause for the runaways either.... But that doesn't mean it didn't happen.Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 InvestigationThe paper trail made public is rather... um... not nice to read.Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 InvestigationWell, just link to the 2 threads and post over here. Mods can also join the threads.Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 InvestigationThe reason the auto business does well is the marketing folks engage the emotions and imagination of the people that pay a ton of money for them, investing not just their money, but their egos in a heap of iron that will, in due course, get old, ratty, unreliable, and need to be replaced for a new improved ego booster! Where egos and emotions don't have as much involvement, like in the purchase of commodities like crude oil, quite different considerations apply. Some of the equipment I work with are so old and decrepit that it is found in antique shops, but by gosh, it still does the job and does it cheap and better than anything else lying around. The interesting story for the CP 4 is a group of immensely self confident and capable engineers, who thought they had the world at their fingertips after their most feared competitor threw in the towel (Siemens), and left the field all to themselves, are now finding that their simpler, cheaper design that produced higher pressures are in an engineering sense, brittle.Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 Investigation FishOnOne wrote: ricatic wrote: New discussion taking place at The Diesel Stop about the 6.7...Kinda funny...the discussion takes on the appearance that this is a recent development. It includes some comments about the new dieselsite product... I posted my Broken drum story over there when it happened...the thread lasted about an hour and was deleted...I am surprised this one has lasted 3 pages...I posted...any bets on how long it lasts... Good bye Ford thread at TDS Regards If the drama is left out of the discussion, my bet is it will stick around! OK, lets start betting on the thread. 1 round of drinks (for the 3 of us) that it will be gone by 12/08/12 noon.Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 InvestigationA post over at TDI pointed out this factoid: The brand new 2013 Porsche Cayenne Diesel (with CP4)... Cannot do stop-start (to save fuel).. because... Porsche wrote: “It’s a matter of lubricating the high-pressure fuel pumps,” he adds. “They’re delicate.” Thomas Herold, manager of ?Special Operations R&D http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-porsche-cayenne-diesel-first-drive-review Nice to know the dainty and delicate HPFPs used in the Porsche diesel.Re: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 InvestigationLets think chemistry for a bit... I am not a chemist, but here is what comes to mind: 2 Fe2O3 + 3 C ? 4 Fe + 3 CO2 exothermic... Or: 3 Fe2O3 + H2 ? 2 Fe3O4 + H2O Fe3O4 is an abrasive. Mohs Hardness @20°C 5.5 to 6.5 Hmmmm... Slice right through aluminum at Moh 2.5-3 at 20CRe: Ford's answers to the NHTSA 6.7 InvestigationWater was not a problem until we saw the higher pressures. All of a sudden, we got water making its way into the system, forming rust particle that are then all subject to 2,000 bar, possibly making the mixture break down again and become reactive. It may not be water per se that is the problem, but the reactive byproducts, or in the case of the photo on dieselsite's thread, metabolites from biofuel that have degraded. We are really heading into unknown territory with the high pressures and biofuels all at once.
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