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Re: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
CA Traveler wrote: Thanks, I realized after the fact that I had missed a number of posts. It happens but I don't want to make excuses. So learn, make good decisions and enjoy the trips! I took screenshots of all your replies though to have for handy reference :)512Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
CA Traveler wrote: Requested the thread to be closed due to personal posts. My advice: Walk away and don't lower yourself to the other person. Not easy I know. THANK GOD! Hope they do! Everyone seems to be much more interested in other things than what the thread was about in the beginning. I actually tried to respond to your post but the website was down for maintenance from 4:00 eastern so not sure how long until I just checked now. Assuming you didn’t have a chance to read everything from the start as it was tons of reading! Don’t blame you :) But a couple pages back I posted I’m not getting it. Also when a couple people had to go on to be mean and tell me that’s the best thing that happened to me because I don’t know what I’m doing, I’m paraphrasing. Thanks for trying to help and trying to bring back civility... but believe at this point it’s a lost cause and your advice came a tad late! LOL. I also posted earlier that the tires were new 2016 so most of your advice had already been discussed. I had wanted to run it through the business and keep it off my personal credit because of other endeavors I am involved in (purchasing another home) and had been preapproved for the business, but at the last second they wanted me to sign as a personal guarantor, which defeats the entire purpose! But knowing the people here, I knew at any moment someone would try to explain how businesses ALWAYS need a personal guarantor... which is why I didn’t bother explaining the specifics previously.513Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
BigSkyBob wrote: Well sir, allow me to digress. So far you have mentioned the words arrogant and ignorant regarding forum posters, now comes the phrases SICK and SAD. Plus in your emotional vigor I think you referred to me as a liar and mentioned something about punching me in the face when all I was trying to do was be helpful and point out where I felt your comments were misplaced. So in your further postings you might mention posters being LIARS,STUPID, UNEDUCATED, HATEFUL, and LACKING KNOWLEDGE when responding to your posts. This way we can continue on until the STUPID police arrive and beat up on the winner. Over and out of this thread. This is indeed a real head shaker. LMAO!!!! I give up, as you are construing what YOU want to from my words, and stretching them to fit any meaning that YOU want them to. I threatened to punch you in the face?????? OMG, really, seriously?????? Just too funny!!!!! Funny you accuse me of being emotional, as it’s BLATANTLY obvious that you are “glancing” in ANGER as you read and getting furious and not taking the time to take in what I’m even saying. I could write out I LOVE YOU and some kind away you will say that means I hate you! And I NEVER get emotional, im the confident type with a calm demeanor at all times because I’m used to being surrounded by stupidity! But if you read my post and came to the brilliant conclusion that I threatened to punch you in the face (incorrect by a longshot) there’s nothing more for me to discuss with you as you are going to read what you want to read or worse, make stuff up as you go. In either case, not interested in what you think are golden nuggets of wisdom..512Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
BigSkyBob wrote: I hope forums are not indicative of the intellectual level of people nowadays, because I shake my head in disbelief if such arrogance and ignorance is a sample slice of people. I hope forums are not indicative of the intellectual level of people nowadays, because I shake my head in disbelief if such arrogance and ignorance is a sample slice of people. I did try early on to offer sage advise regarding the Aqua-Hot system and how I perceived the issue and what to look for. There were other posters who did the same but in their own way of explaining things that evolved into a way to try to protect you from making a bad decision. Many coaches that are offered at a steep discounted price are in fact dogs and money pits but certainly not all. Agreed, there might have been a few posts that triggered your emotional response but there again I feel they were, in their own sense, trying to be helpful. You might come down on me for saying this but I feel it's not helpful to blast the ALL moderators for their posts and to call the forum members arrogant and ignorant is way off base. I too must shake my head in disbelief at some of your replies that I think were misplaced. Best of luck in your search for the perfect, lowest discounted coach on the market. And nobody is attacking the ones that offered the sage advice, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say? Or what your point is? I think my words are very justified because they are ALL defensive in nature. This is easily ascertained by reading my replies to any advice offered that was good and then read me my replies to the ones that had to take it further and were sarcastic and rude in nature. Also much more easily ascertained by my comments THANKING all of the posters that made relevant remarks! Surely, you don’t think my remarks were made to everyone who posted on the thread, because that’s what it sounds like! I don’t see how it’s humanly possible for you to have read some of the very demeaning, horrible posts that were made concerning my unwillingness to accept opinions on things I didn’t ask advice for like I was a child, or the many comments that were made by posters that they were very glad my financing was not approved??? What kind of a SICK, SAD human being, especially when I said I was not happy and very let down the financing didn’t go through as I wanted it to ( through the business) could say that to another person?? Yet you seem to defend their words and attack mine? All I can say is WOW. Anytime somebody makes a post like that I will attack “back” with vigor and of course, some like yourself will apparently seem to focus only on my defensive words and not the original attacker??? Who says if you slap me in the face I only have to slap you back? I may choose to punch you several times and knock you out!!!! I wont stand idly by and accept rudeness or sarcasm or as Ranger eloquently noted, disrespect in ANY form because as he also noted, it’s what the world has turned into and is normally a starting point from which ALL problems can be traced to! I hope you are not the type individual that is like the police driving up to a fight and beating up on the one that is winning, regardless of who started the fight? But this is what it sounds like to me. You think others are injecting their opinions over and above subject matter in an attempt to help me, but I can disprove that because when you disagree with them, they start saying mean things, which doesn’t sound like help to me! REAL GENUINE advice is not given in that manner, FORCED upon.512Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
jplante4 wrote: So WTH did this mean? Plumber101010 wrote: Had my heart set on it and the issue is with Ally Financial, who made one of the stupidest decisions that I could ever possibly imagine. So ridiculous I’m in the middle of writing an email to the CEO which will probably get blown off. But thought I’d take a break and read the last few posts. Not worth getting into but revolves around running it through the business versus personal financing. 58 years old and I’ve dealt with more financing and loans and banks than most in my adult life and can tell you I’m still in utter disbelief at what took place!!!! Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. In a decision that you described as "dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb" they APPRVOED your loan???? You're writing an email to toe CEO to say thanks? “but revolves around running it through the business versus personal financing” Can you possibly be any more ridiculously dense? What part of that sentence is so hard to comprehend? If I was denied, I would just simply say I was denied. And that the issue revolves around not being approved. DUH! Obviously the issue has to do with running it through the business, hence, the issue “REVOLVES AROUND...” So full of hate and so anxious to make fun of somebody that you don’t even slow down long enough to accurately read! Top notch mods this forum has... If you’re gonna make fun of somebody and try to call them out as being stupid, be sure you have the upper hand FIRST and thoroughly read before you make a dumb post calling the other dumb!!! So were you actually planning on contributing to this thread in any kind of a technical, or mechanical aspect, which is what this thread is about? Or is your job to just bounce around “trying” to make fun of people? My experience lends me to believe that moderators are here to STOP posters from posting your kind of remarks, yet you’re the second mod to pop on here with sarcastic, argumentative statements? WOW!!! I guess this place needs moderators for the moderators! SHAME on you for representing this forum in such a negative nature! Because even though a few posters here want to insist on giving advice that was NEVER asked for and proceed in telling me it’s a horrible buy, the title of this thread was NOT in fact: “Need help deciding if motorhome is a good buy” Nothing is more frustrating than when a specific question is asked, others barge in pushing advice and opinions on unrelated and unsolicited subject matter, then have the nerve to get upset when the OP disagrees with their ADDED UNWANTED AND UNSOLICITED advice and opinions on issues he was never seeking help with to begin with, and then people start group chanting how he was never looking for help and why did he bother coming here asking for help if he wasn’t interested in taking advice from others! God almighty...help me with the lunatics please. I hope forums are not indicative of the intellectual level of people nowadays, because I shake my head in disbelief if such arrogance and ignorance is a sample slice of people.513Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
jplante4 wrote: Plumber101010 wrote: And all of that was based on? Absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. Blanks were being filled with information that could not be obtained by this thread. It was based on YOUR original post. Go back and read it as if you knew nothing about this experience. The salesman lies to you, there are several issues with the coach, there's stuff you don't like. Do you think we're all here for the first time? Don't you think that people come on here several times a year with the same story? You're not the only person with life experience. Some people were trying to keep you from getting screwed like others have who came here for advise, even though they already had their minds made up. We're not here to justify your decision. Put on your big boy pants and own up. The bank probably had a good reason for denying the loan. You have to ask yourself why. Hint: They're not dumb,dumb,dumb. Did you not read? Evidently not. Nobody denied the loan, but since you didn’t bother to fully read my post you ran off with “speculation” as well. Just amazing to me..SMH. My original post was basically trying to say that I cannot trust the salesman and I cannot trust what he tells me so I need to verify the information here and I gave examples as to why I couldn’t trust the salesman. NONE of that equals a defective coach!!! This is not really hard to follow. Anyway there’s no reason for any more posts here. However, to all of the GOOD individuals who gave me wonderful replies, insight and advice, thank you very much! It really is appreciated :) And FYI, there’s a reason I’ve been a member since 2014 but don’t post that much, because of examples like this where there are too many mean people out there looking to attack others who are simply looking for advice. Too many people trying to make themselves feel superior to others by taking cheap shots. Too many people with keyboard muscles that talk to others on a forum like they would never dare talk to their face.174Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
Gottahaveit wrote: Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah...Obviously didn't really want anyone's opinion. Best this to happen to Plummer is to get denied a loan :S Most people who can’t mount a good debate resort to mumbling things like blah blah blah.. And yes you ARE correct, I don’t want to listen to the opinions of people like you, especially when they don’t know how to spell! And once again, totally useless speculation that’s inaccurate. I never said I got denied the loan. I walked from the loan and there’s a difference, except for people like you that just love to fill in the blanks with anything that appeases them... which is why I am not interested in your opinion!174Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
Ivylog wrote: Plumber101010 wrote: I have absolutely NO clue why you are so negative about buying a class A from this dealer, but maybe you have been screwed many times in the past??? LOL. But you have been very negative from the get go and I think that may just be your personality and assumption that everybody is looking to screw everybody. And though you will laugh at this, I also believe there may be a tad of jealousy involved at the price I’m getting it for. It’s close enough and accurate enough to give you a decent idea and a fair concept of price to work with and if it says $236,000, you can’t just ARBITRARILY toss it out the window based upon absolutely nothing at all other than your “opinion” that its not accurate!!! But personally I believe it’s extremely presumptuous and arrogant to just scream out and lash out that the NADA values are incorrect as if you were a walking encyclopedia of 2009 model Monaco’s.it! Even though you’re been on here since 2014 it’s obvious you have only recently been active...last 2 months. Doug Rainer is without a doubt one of the BEST resources on here...most LISTEN when he offers advice. He’s a master RV tech at a large dealership in TX and offers excellent advise on here for free. He has forgotten more than what most of us will ever know about RVs. You are WAY off base. I recently bought a 08 Navigator (top of the line) with 40k miles plus $50K in addition options for $165K. So much for NADA. I’ll take Doug’s “opinion” over your knowledge ever day. Sorry for delay in update but been a busy few days dealing with this. This deal is not gonna happen and I’m not the happiest man in the world right now! Had my heart set on it and the issue is with Ally Financial, who made one of the stupidest decisions that I could ever possibly imagine. So ridiculous I’m in the middle of writing an email to the CEO which will probably get blown off. But thought I’d take a break and read the last few posts. Not worth getting into but revolves around running it through the business versus personal financing. 58 years old and I’ve dealt with more financing and loans and banks than most in my adult life and can tell you I’m still in utter disbelief at what took place!!!! Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. Anywho... Doesn’t matter if you’re a master technician or what you are. Nobody but nobody can see that unit from afar. Nobody has walked it and nobody has inspected it so making opinions as to its “worthiness” is a crapshoot and a needle in the haystack at best. The vast majority of the replies were very good replies and were answering as it needed to be answered without speculation in the unit itself. They were giving the areas to look for, explaining the systems, telling me the pros and the cons. But that’s where it has to stop. You can’t go on and “predict” that this coach is a bad buy because of a bad salesman. You cannot connect the dots no matter how hard you want to try! I forget who it was but in one of the last few posts the term was used that its being dumped. I disagree. Why do you assume that every single RV on the market that is being sold used is being dumped? Just because ised doesn’t mean it was dumped. Again, that is speculation and that has to be based on something, and in this case I don’t see how there’s any facts that prove it was dumped? Trading in on a nicer unit, trading in on a newer unit, trading in on a larger unit, training in on a smaller unit, selling it because it’s no longer used as they thought, upsizing or downsizing for whatever reason, repossessions, there are just lots and lots of reasons why a unit would be selling used without it being “dumped” as a bad unit. So if somebody comes on here and is asking advice, I think the way that the advice was given was correct, again, with the vast majority of posters here by telling me what to look for, what to be careful on, pros and cons. But there had to be a couple that took it a step further and screamed out how it’s being dumped, or it’s junk, or i’d run away as fast as you can. And all of that was based on? Absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. Blanks were being filled with information that could not be obtained by this thread. So it doesn’t matter if you’re a master technician, it doesn’t matter how long you have been working on class A’s, you STILL cannot look at a picture of something and give mechanical advice and say RUN!!! Honestly that’s just extremely absurd!. I’m a 35 year retired Master repair plumber. I too have forgotten more about plumbing than most will ever know. I’ve written articles, I’ve trained others, and at NO point during my career or even today, could I look at a picture of a house and tell you to run because the plumbing is JUNK, especially based on the fact that the real estate agent selling the house was an idiot! LOL. It would be very amiss of me to look at any pictures of a house on the Internet and tell somebody to run as fast as they can without having done an inspection of the house myself. And it doesn’t matter how many years I’ve been doing It. So sorry I disagree with you. To say that Doug has oodels and oodels of experience would ONLY apply if he inspected that motorhome and then gave me that advice. But to tell me to run away as fast as I can based on a picture and a salesman, well, as I said in my post, that’s filling in a lot of blanks with weak speculation. And being a master plumber also doesn’t mean that I am an expert on home price values and because he’s a master technician still does not mean that he knows more about values then NADA. Anyone at all who would look at a motorhome that’s priced $30,000 to $60,000 under NADA value I think would feel VERY confident about their deal!!! Especially when almost every single person on this forum immediately gives the advice to go to NADA and check out the value before you buy one!174Views0likes0CommentsRe: Aqua Hot heating system & overall advice 2009 Monaco
Ranger Smith wrote: By the way . . . We love our system and would never go back to a propane furnace. I can sit in 30 degree weather for 6 months and not need fuel. With propane and our previous rig it was once a week when in Nashville last winter. Sounds like it is well worth it than and even if it has to be repaired the savings of avoiding propane would offset the cost of fixing it.189Views0likes0Comments
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