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Re: 2017 Cedar Creek Champagne Edition 38EL
CC38EL wrote: We actually own one, a 2017 38EL and love it also. Purchased and loaded it with most of our stuff except for clothes, food, and some stuff we take south for winter. Filled up with full tank of water, full propane, awnings, and slide toppers (which were added at the dealer). With wife and dog in truck, full fuel, and hitch: Axle weight before: 3260 Axle weight after: 6420 Calculated pin weight: 3160 CAT scale. Perfect. Very much appreciated!500Views0likes0CommentsRe: 2017 Cedar Creek Champagne Edition 38EL
JTrac wrote: Ours was rated with about the same hitch weight. We added a Splendide washer/dryer, which sits by the front closet just like this model, and it weighs about 240 pounds. When we travel for a month the closet is full of clothes and shoes. Then factor in the stuff in the front storage bay and it adds up quickly. Fully loaded ours weighs in at 3100 pounds, a 600 pound gain from the original rating. 3100 works for me. 3500 doesn't. Man, I'm right on the edge! Appreciate the info.208Views0likes0Comments2017 Cedar Creek Champagne Edition 38EL
All- We're seriously considering this trailer... we're loving it. Could someone who owns it (or a 2016 would work, too!!!) confirm the pin weight you're seeing? The website makes it seem the pin weight is really light, almost too light (2500 lbs). Pin weight's a concern for me, so looking for someone who owns one to confirm... If you've got time, would also like to hear your impressions. Thanks everyone!7KViews0likes21CommentsRe: Answered: How Much Does a Class A DP Cost?
Bruce Brown wrote: All I can say is I'm sure glad I don't live in your world. Your posted costs are absolutely CRAZY high. $800 for 2 oil changes??? Thats a joke right? And 2 in 15,000 miles? Use your head. The ISL has a 20,000 mile change interval. Doing 2 in 15,000 was a pure waste of money. $5300 for tires? You need to shop better. We just installed (6) new tires on ours, 11R 22.5's, installed for $2400. Then again I know some people who pay $1000 to get the brakes done on their car too. Shops need to make $$$ somehow, thankfully for them they have some consumers who just pay the price. There is no doubt a DP is expensive to own, I think yours was excessively high. So it was actually four oil changes... two on the ISL, two on the genny. Check your manual and you'll see changes are due based on either mileage or time, whichever comes first. Up to you if you don't follow the time interval. I agree with you regarding the cost of my tires. As I said on the first post, I turned over all mx receipts, and I think I've recalled the cost of those tires incorrectly. They were ~$540 each purchased through the FMCA Michelin program, plus mounting/balance/alignment/tax. Maybe I only paid $4200ish??? Can't really recall. But regardless of if my mx cost was $10,000 or $5,000 over the two year period, the real hit came in depreciation. I believe the depreciation number is the same for any coach at comparative price points. You disagree? Give me your year/make/model and I'll do the research for you and post it here for all to see... Or continue to live in ignorance, if that's more comfortable for you. I'm sorry my friend, but if you own a Class A DP motorhome, you live in my world.297Views0likes0CommentsRe: Answered: How Much Does a Class A DP Cost?
et2 wrote: There is no way I can understand why you lost $40,000 in depreciation on something you purchased used??? How in the world did that happen? You should have negotiated better on that deal. You should have made money or at least broke even. Take that out of the equation and its a whole other story. There are way to many variables independant to each individual's case. Many people save money doing this or even make some. To say you've answered it .... Not even close. To my knowledge, you can't go back in time and look at NADA values, but to the best of my recollection, the NADA value for my coach when I bought it two years ago was ~$142,000 (of course no options checked on the NADA site, LOW retail used.) I paid $130,000, and thought that was a decent price given all the other models I'd looked at over the eight month period I researched, and the NADA price. As I wrote in an earlier post: Current NADA value is $106,000 New owners paid $103,000 I received $90,000 Current auction value is $78,000 Interestingly, last November, I was offered $92,000 as the auction value, so in the last 10 months it depreciated $15,000 in absolute value. Mind blowing, right? Hopefully, your model isn't like mine. Did I overpay? Obviously!!!!! But you can't discount the depreciation I've seen in just the last 10 months.196Views0likes0CommentsRe: Answered: How Much Does a Class A DP Cost?
S-n-L wrote: I think many of you are misunderstanding or not realizing the intent of the OP's post. If you know the cost and accept it than good for you. Most of us who own a DP do understand and are happy with the decision. However, if you are thinking about buying a DP and have never had one before this is very useful information. As one gets older, as many DP owners are seniors, than doing one's own maintenance becomes less appealing. If you think the OP's assessment is unrealistically high or unusual than you have not been talking to many DP owners around the country. It does not matter what brand, if you own a mid to high end DP then you have a good chance of this scenario. It is far more uncommon for me to hear form someone "I have owned this rig for 5 or 10 years" and all I needed to do is yearly preventative maintenance. I also want to point out the false illusion that because you paid cash for your rig you are in some way avoiding less of an negative impact than many who finance their rig. For many you are losing more money. I for one chose to finance my rig as my investments are earning more than the interest I am paying. I could have afforded to pay cash however I, and many others, made the prudent choice to have my money earn more money. It's called leverage. Maybe if the OP was able to read this type of post before buying the DP he/she would have made a different choice of rv or vacation plans. If any of you want to throw $100 bills into a fire just because you like the way it looks when it burns that is your choice. No one should say you're wrong. They may just say it is not the best decision for them. THIS exactly, thanks S-n-L.189Views0likes0CommentsRe: Answered: How Much Does a Class A DP Cost?
usersmanual wrote: Dave great assessment and totally agree.I just don't think someone whom only owns a DP for only two years and complains hes lost 70K or 35K per year is normal.I opine that is abnormal Haha, this coming from the guy who's been a member on this forum for less than a week! I totally respect those who know what they've lost but make the decision the loss is worth it. I absolutely agree that owning a DP Class A is expensive. You, however, have no idea what you've lost, comfortably numb in your ignorance. Folks like you, who are new to camping, are who I'm intending to help by actually laying out the numbers.189Views0likes0CommentsRe: Answered: How Much Does a Class A DP Cost?
usersmanual wrote: $800 oil was for two years.. $400 per year. Regardless of mileage, oil must be changed every year (at least, that's what it was on the Cummins ISL). Allison 3000 tranny needs fluid change every three years, regardless of mileage. Maybe your tires could be purchased for $2700, but my bus-sized tires were purchased through the Family MotorCoach Association (FMCA) Michelin program @ $540ish per tire, plus balance/installation/alignment. Doesn't matter if you pay cash or finance, depreciation is real and hits you the same. For reference, numbers on my coach when it was sold: NADA Low Retail value of my coach: $105,950 New owners paid CampingWorld: $103,000 I sold it as a consignment for $90,000 Auction value (after four months of consignment, I almost went this route): $78,000 So the new owners, regardless of HOW they paid for it, drove off the lot having lost $13,000 best case (if consigned) or maybe as much as $25,000 (if they needed to unload it). These are real numbers for a nine year old DP coach. Hey you don't have to justify it to me? Iam just saying that your case is far from the Norm and NO you certainly do not have to change the oil in a ISL once a year when u only go 2000 miles and NO I don't change Allison synthetic trans oil after 3 years and only a few thousand miles and my BUS sized tires can be bought for as cheap as $2700.I never said Michelin I just said new tires Iam just saying your situation is FAR different than mine and it does matter if u pay cash because then your not paying interest and you don't end up upside down as many do that finance Not saying you did just saying it does happen What Iam saying is your situation is far from normal in my world Okay, I'll give you back the $800 in oil and $2500 in tires. And if you chose to disregard the factory recommendations on fluid-change intervals, that's your risk. But what I forgot to mention in my original post was tax, something all of us have to pay, unfortunately. Tax varies by state, with some states ~7% (Cali, Florida, a lot of northern states) and some states cheaper at ~3% (like North Carolina). Lets just assume an average of 5% sales tax, which on a $130,000 motorhome is $6500. So if you take back $3500 I "overpaid" in maintenance, but add in the tax I forgot to mention, I've now lost ~$69,000. I don't believe my experiences are abnormal, as you claim. Sure, some won't need to pay for storage, some won't need to pay finance charge, some won't pay as much on maintenance... but in the end, even if you're paying none of those things, you're still losing A LOT of money.189Views0likes0Comments
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