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Re: Towing an EMPTY tow dolly behind a Fifth Wheel east coast.
KD4UPL wrote: I would say it's a trailer and therefore not legal up the east coast. I'm in VA and have looked into double towing a lot. The DMV doesn't really know, you need to talk to Commercial Motor Vehicle Officers. I have specifically asked several in VA and they all said absolytely not in VA. I think the main issue is that it's likely a state trooper or cmv officer would actually do a traffic stop where a county/city/town officer/deputy would not. Most of the regs I have seen about tow dollies seems to be about when actually towing a car and not when unloaded. Code of Virginia 46.2-1116. "Vehicles having more than one trailer, etc., attached thereto; exceptions. Except as provided in this section and § 46.2-1117, no motor vehicle shall be driven on a highway while drawing or having attached thereto more than one motor vehicle, trailer, or semitrailer unless such vehicle is being operated under a special permit from the Commissioner of Highways. " Code of Virginia 46.2-1119. "Tow dolly and converter gear. No axle-like device, commonly called a "tow dolly," used to support the front or rear wheels of a passenger vehicle or pick-up or panel truck for towing purposes, and no axle-like device, commonly called "converter gear," on which is mounted a fifth wheel used to convert a semitrailer to a full trailer, shall be considered vehicles. Either such device, when used on the public highways, shall be equipped with a safety chain or chains of a strength to restrain the device and vehicle being towed, should the connection fail. In addition, either device, when moved on the public highway, shall be equipped with rear marker lights or reflectors when towed without a load. When a tow dolly or converter gear is used to tow a vehicle, the towed vehicle must comply with all requirements of law pertaining to towed vehicles." Clear as mud isn't it? Looks like a "tow dolly" is not actually considered a trailer but IANAL..... Several sites say that there is no state on the east coast that allows multiple trailers, but have seen others that say that Maryland, NC and SC allow it if under 65 foot long.666Views0likes0CommentsTowing an EMPTY tow dolly behind a Fifth Wheel east coast.
I have tried to "google" this and can't find any real info. I will be pulling a 5th wheel from Florida up the east coast soon but I would like to be able to pull my tow dolly behind the 5th wheel. I realize that most east coast states don't allow double/triple towing(however you label it) but a car dolly is usually considered part of a towed vehicle and not separate. However I can not find out any real information on how a car dolly is defined when it is by itself with no vehicle on it. I did see a situation near jacksonville fl where someone was towing 2 dolly(s) linked front to back with no vehicles and was curious as to the legality of this. Anyway, the 5th wheel is only 21' and total length would be between 55-60 feet, and most states seem to have a limit of 65 feet. Since I probably couldn't see the dolly behind the camper I would probably put a camera on the back of the trailer. Does anyone here have any idea if this is allowed or not, or where I can check?(other than each state DMV which would be my next step - but probably won't get a good answer there either. Maybe state police?)9.5KViews0likes55CommentsRe: DIY Slide In Camper questions
wnjj wrote: Another reason not to use the bed sides for support: If you change trucks down the road you don't have to modify the camper to match. True. I have that situation now since my TC was made for a Dakota but now on a Sierra. However, once the Dakota is fixed, it will be back where it belongs. That's another reason I built this one. There isn't really a truck camper designed for a Dakota. There are some full size ones that you could get with the 44" dakota wheel well width or you had to use one designed for a smaller truck like the Ranger. And while the newer Mid-Sized trucks like the Canyon/Colorado and Tacoma are bigger than the older ones, the Dakota still seems to be slightly larger. That's been rumors about the Dakota returning since the Gladiator came out but nothing yet. While I prefer the square body styles of the original S-10 & Rangers, I always liked the 2nd gen Dakotas over the 1st or 3rd.895Views0likes0CommentsRe: DIY Slide In Camper questions
WarrenS65 wrote: If your A-Liner is one of the smaller ones, you could remove the axels, hitch, etc. and build a basement frame underneath then mount it like a camper. If you wanted to keep the option of using it as a trailer, you could modify the a-frame tongue section so it's removable and do something similar with the axel. I had a car hauler with a removable tongue so I could store it in my garage. The tongue removed right at the front of the deck. The tongue was made of 3" OD square tube and there were two 3" ID receivers on the front of the trailer. That was suggested. However, it's about 11' long and I was trying to stay at around 10'. Sometimes I tow my little convertible on my dolly and going past the end of the tailgate when down could start causing issues, or requiring a hitch extention. I was actually debating making it removeble from the trailer so I can use the trailer flat when needed. It's getting a complete redo when I have time. Will probably build new walls a bit taller(so I can use a chest freezer as a fridge). WarrenS65 wrote: For your idea of starting with a ladder rack and building around it, I did that a bit over a year ago. I've camped in it about a dozen times. I made the front, sides, rear, and top all removeable so I could use it as an open truck when needed. I'd post pictures, but I don't use any photo sharing sites. If you want to them, send me a PM and I'll send you a OneDrive link. At the moment I'd abandoned that Idea but I will keep you in mind if something changes. Thanx880Views0likes0CommentsRe: DIY Slide In Camper questions
Grit dog wrote: It's a bit more than 2 - 1x6s on a standard (not popup) camper overhead, but @mkirsch's recommendation is a good place to start, to design it. Similar design on your ladder rack, if it has a cab overhang. Need relatively stiff sides/cantilevered "joists" that run fore/aft with enough anchorage back in the main camper side wall. Yeah, I was hoping to maybe angle the cab-over so the front is skinnier - maybe 5' for a Full/6' if I use a Queen. I've been working on a layout, and may just have about 1-2 feet of the bed hanging over the floor and mount into the floor to help with strength. Grit dog wrote: Couple other comments. Reason not to bear on bed sides AND bed floor simultaneously, it'll never be perfect and at some point, either the bed side or the floor will be holding all the weight. Not to mention stability and stress on the bedsides if resting solely on them with an (arguably) similar or greater load then your lumber racks. Sure it might work for a while but if you've seen trucks with years of overloaded lumber racks, the beds are no longer straight/strong. Keep it bearing on the bed floor only, or you're inducing unknown stresses into the truck bed sides. Makes sense. I was thinking to maybe setting it up to clamp the wings to the bed sides to secure it better. Will have to ponder it. Grit dog wrote: Regarding the truck, 7200 gvw is a very light 3/4 ton gvw. Presume squarebody or GMT 400 or possibly pre "HD" GMT800 2500? But I think the non HD 2500s were 7700gvw at least. GM 2500 trucks of that era went up to 8600gvw, with a few changes, but you're safe (presuming the truck is in good physical and mechanical condition) at 2000lbs of payload even with a very light duty Sierra 2500. It's a '99, GMT800. First year of that style and the 6.0. Reg cab 8' bed. Door sticker says 7200lbs. They didn't intro the HD's till '01. I've had more weight on it than that, but only hauling stuff. With the camper being mounted for a continuos length of time in use, I'd rather go lighter to be on the safe side(plus saving fuel). I did upgrade the rear shocks to Monroe coil-overs earlier this year. I use the same on my Dakota. They make a big difference over a regular shock-only for hauling. I definitely recommend them.877Views0likes0CommentsRe: DIY Slide In Camper questions
WarrenS65 wrote: Several manufacturers are building their floor above the bed rails to give extra floor width so that's certainly doable. Campers are designed to be carried on the pickup bed, so if you're going to build one above the bed rails, you'll want to build it with a basement (great place for your tanks, batteries, and other heaving item storage). Remember, though the bed rails may be able to handle the weight you've put on them, if you build a camper that's 6' above that, you're raising the center of gravity and it will want to rock back and forth causing more stress on your bed rails. Good points. Most of the models I have seen have slides and weigh upwards of 4500lbs. If I build it it won't be anywhere near that. And no slides. My current TC is 800-ish and I believe I could manage to build one at around 12-1300lbs dry weight. The basement is also another good point. Storage of the water tanks, batteries, and gear will keep the wight down in the bed. I would probably also mount the fridge and other heavy stuff on the floor to reduce top heavy-ness. I think I can come in under 11 foot on the truck which isn't really much higher than most prebuilt ones. WarrenS65 wrote: ***Link Removed*** makes campers that sit on the bed rails, but they are really just a shell that sits on top of the truck. They don't have sides or a floor below the bedrails. They're really nice and well constructed for what they are, but they're not a self contained camper. As far as I know, none of the fully enclosed campers are designed to sit on the bed rails. I debated doing something like that where I could make use of the existing ladder racks and use removable panels, but the matress takes up so much room that having it side to side gives more floor space than front to back. I will look at the links(thanx). The main reason I ended up building my own was cost and customization. I really couldn't find a non-cabover one that would work on the Dakota. I probably have about $500 in the current one(used a good bit of reclaimed material). I will probably budget around $2k for a bigger one(have access to more reclaimed materials). If I had the Sierra when I started I would have went bigger. My current TC is barely wider than the bed of the Sierra. I have 2 winch/jacks(one for each side) that I got free with a bad TC and it's harder to back the Sierra under the camper. Honestly the biggest thing I couldn't really do with the current TC was have a kitchen sink and a shower - that's what I would like to have in the new one. I have a fold down table on the back above where the propane tank is mounted that I use for my grill/cooktop because cooking inside makes too much heat and fumes. I have a Buddy heater and it's too much for the current TC on 4000 BTUs so a diesel furnace is also a desire. The cab-over part is really my main concern. The rest doesn't look too bad.877Views0likes0CommentsRe: DIY Slide In Camper questions
jimh406 wrote: Your biggest issue is the truck. DIY probably means heavy and that’s not where your truck shines. I think I’d go with a popup style construction. That reduce the drag and weight. Depends on the truck. The Dakota - no. The Sierra is a 2500 so yes, the drag doesn't bother it either(well maybe the mpg but it only gets 12-15 anyway). My GVWR is 7200 lbs. With me and a full tank it weighs about 5400, so I have 1800 lbs to play with. I believe my current camper is about 800 lbs dry weight. I haven't had a chance to weigh it yet - difficult to remove it from a truck at a scale..... I actually tried to build an A-Liner Truck Cabin type camper to begin with but couldn't manage it. I also don't care for canvas sides because I boondock mostly. I actually own an A-liner pull behind now(needs rebuilt) and could probably build a TC that way now but it would likely be heavier from what I can see.881Views0likes0CommentsDIY Slide In Camper questions
Background - I currently have a homemade 8 foot truck camper with a slant front that I built for a dodge dakota. It's just under 80" wide. The end of the camper sits on the tailgate. I had originally make it 6.5' long to fit with the tailgate up but it was too small so I rebuilt it longer(and fixed a lot of other mistakes in the trial build). The camper is currently on my 2500 Sierra(lifted up with 2x6s and plywood since the sides are about 3" taller on this truck) and I can close the tailgate. I use mid-grade straps to mount it inside the bed at the front and using eyebolts on the camper under the wings along the inside walls and then strapped to the frame under the back of the Sierra. Took it cross country and had with no isues. The camper is configured with a twin bed across the front under the slant, a counter on the pass side with a 3 way fridge under it at the rear and a seat on the driver's side with a 5000 BTU house A/C again at the rear. It's framed with 2x3's and sheeted outside with 1/8" plywood. I did the poor man's fiberglass on the exterior and have had no leaks. It's not pretty but it works. First question - I've read here and on several sites that a slide in camper should not sit on anything other than the truck bed. I am kinda confused as to why this should be so. I have a 14ft ladder rack on my 8 foot bed truck that probably weighs 250lbs. I have probably put over 1000 lbs of lumber on it with no problems. It would seem to me that having the camper sit on both the bed and the side rails would give it more stability. If it is more than an 1" higher than the sides, then the camper could wobble side to side under crosswinds, which would not be desirable at all. Plus, if using exterior tie downs, won't that pull the wings down onto the rails to an extent? I also can't imagine the weight sitting on the rails will hurt anything. Second question - Supporting a cab-over. I'm thinking about building a larger camper now that I have the bigger Sierra. I'm debating doing a complete floor over rail since it's not really that much tall overall(I'm only 5'8" and my current camper interior is about 6' inside). That would only really add 20" in overall height and still be lower than a 5th wheel in height. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to do the cab-over. I didn't do on with the current camper because of the drag on the dakota(it's a V6 Mag-none and pulling a flat front trailer kills it - the slant front doesnt). I don't really know if I need the whole width of the camper for the cab-over(probably going to do 8.5' wide this time). What's the best way to support the weight of the cabover with 2 adults in the bed? I was debating running 2 2x4's stood up down both sides of the whole camper but that would only support the sides..... Could I using cables at 3 or 4 places at the bottom front of the cabover going up and then back to the back ot the camper work? The cab-over would probably only be about 4ft out with the rest inside the main part with storage under. Thanx3.5KViews0likes11Comments
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