Bodies of Australian surfers found in Sinaloa
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341085/Inside-Mexican-city-Sinaloa-known-Cemetery-cartels-rule-murders-rife.html?ito=social-facebook
Forum Discussion
There is another thread going on about this on this forum.
We read these news reports and have to wonder where the reporters get their information. It is very sad that this happened to these young men. But what actually happened? What evidence is there this has anything to do with cartels? And what possible reason would the cartels have for doing this? Makes no sense to me.
My father was a newspaper reporter and music critic way back when journalism was still an honorable profession. Maybe today these so called journalists get paid for each word they write. So they take a story and add another story - or maybe a few more stories - and try to find ways to tie this to that and just ramble on building a story with as many words as they can. Does making things up pay better than finding facts?
How about we wait until someone has more details and evidence before we get involved in supposition and speculation and rumor and gossip and just plain making things up.
So the cartels operate in Sinaloa. Something bad happens in Sinaloa so it must be the cartels. I am in no way trying to defend cartels. But I simply do not get what this would have to do with cartels. I won't guess or speculate as to what happened. Maybe it was a simple case of their vehicle catching on fire. But then the missing license plates could indicate otherwise. Why would someone take the license plates?
People are guessing they were driving at night. Probably. Do we know that? Why were they off the main highway? We may never know. It sounds like they were missing for a least a couple days before the van was noticed. Was it in that spot all the time or was it taken there after something else happened? We may never know. Where were they between the time they communicated with the girlfriend and the time the van was found?
The word is these guys were experienced Mexico travelers and spoke Spanish. One had a girlfriend in Guadalajara and he had been there quite a few times. Did they know to be careful? Did they become overconfident and complacent? Did they know not to travel at night?
Is there even the wildest chance they ran into a couple other gringos and decided to party with their new found friends - who turned out to be bad guys - no Mexicans involved? Wild speculation. But is there evidence that says otherwise? What if they went roaming around Detroit or St. Louis at night? Are the odds better or worse? I have no idea.
Many years ago I was driving 48 states trucking when Castro let all the criminals out of prison and they went to Florida. Lots of drugs and killings. I needed a place to stay with the truck and asked in a truckstop if it was OK to spend the night - in other words asking permission. The guy said - "are you kidding - they kill people in the daytime around here". Totally irrelevant. But most of us who travel in Mexico know how to stay safe. Where to go and where not to go. Just as in the US we try to reduce the risk wherever we go.
We may never know what happened to the guys in this van. We probably won't. But we do not need to be making up stories about what did or did not happen until we know more facts.
We read these news reports and have to wonder where the reporters get their information. It is very sad that this happened to these young men. But what actually happened? What evidence is there this has anything to do with cartels? And what possible reason would the cartels have for doing this? Makes no sense to me.
My father was a newspaper reporter and music critic way back when journalism was still an honorable profession. Maybe today these so called journalists get paid for each word they write. So they take a story and add another story - or maybe a few more stories - and try to find ways to tie this to that and just ramble on building a story with as many words as they can. Does making things up pay better than finding facts?
How about we wait until someone has more details and evidence before we get involved in supposition and speculation and rumor and gossip and just plain making things up.
So the cartels operate in Sinaloa. Something bad happens in Sinaloa so it must be the cartels. I am in no way trying to defend cartels. But I simply do not get what this would have to do with cartels. I won't guess or speculate as to what happened. Maybe it was a simple case of their vehicle catching on fire. But then the missing license plates could indicate otherwise. Why would someone take the license plates?
People are guessing they were driving at night. Probably. Do we know that? Why were they off the main highway? We may never know. It sounds like they were missing for a least a couple days before the van was noticed. Was it in that spot all the time or was it taken there after something else happened? We may never know. Where were they between the time they communicated with the girlfriend and the time the van was found?
The word is these guys were experienced Mexico travelers and spoke Spanish. One had a girlfriend in Guadalajara and he had been there quite a few times. Did they know to be careful? Did they become overconfident and complacent? Did they know not to travel at night?
Is there even the wildest chance they ran into a couple other gringos and decided to party with their new found friends - who turned out to be bad guys - no Mexicans involved? Wild speculation. But is there evidence that says otherwise? What if they went roaming around Detroit or St. Louis at night? Are the odds better or worse? I have no idea.
Many years ago I was driving 48 states trucking when Castro let all the criminals out of prison and they went to Florida. Lots of drugs and killings. I needed a place to stay with the truck and asked in a truckstop if it was OK to spend the night - in other words asking permission. The guy said - "are you kidding - they kill people in the daytime around here". Totally irrelevant. But most of us who travel in Mexico know how to stay safe. Where to go and where not to go. Just as in the US we try to reduce the risk wherever we go.
We may never know what happened to the guys in this van. We probably won't. But we do not need to be making up stories about what did or did not happen until we know more facts.
