Interesting weather fact.

Senor Dave B110,

I would like an extra large serving of CROW with all the trimmings.

I was WRONG about the date - no question...

The trip down that year BEGAN December, 2003.

I loudly yelled it was chilling cool February 2003.

WRONG

It was February 2004

I departed Boca de Iguanas, 4 February 2004 and returned to Las Penas August 2004 from Pananjachel Guatemala.

I owe you an apology. I am sorry. Your concise journal records bothered me to the point of me going down Memory Lane magnifying glass in hand. It did not take that long before my face got red. I am fussy about keeping dates and facts straight...

Happy Trails!

When people stand around a campfire dressed in hats, coats and gloves at 8:00PM blowing clouds of vapor it ain't 68 or 58.

It chased me the hell down the coast. Warm weather -cool or cold weather spells are natural. Ain't getting senile so you can bet your hind end it was COLD in 03 and it lasted longer than a week. Daytime was OK. But the nights were like San Francisco CA. In 2001 same thing in La Manzanilla
Hotel Puesto del Sol. But in '97 same month I lay atop the sheets same room with the ceiling fan on high all through the night. South of Manzanillo is another world. Consistantly warm day and night. Down here Winters can be far more uncomfortable than summer - the humidity remains the same but afternoon cloud cover and thunderstorm downdrafts make summer delightful.

Ooooo halfway down the Baja peninsula last week I saw FORTY TWO DEGREES at 0500. I do remember being rather shocked in 03 same trip on the way to Guatemala Tehuantepec was 106F with the Tehuantepecker winds roaring at 50 mph. In Las Penas it was 88 at 1500 hours and now past midnight 76. Going back to the peninsula next week continuing with car rehab and Dr appts. Thank god for Volaris and private pilots. I PMA'd a Beechcraft twin, for the ride to Lazaro. When the car is fixed I move to Ensenada for the surgeries then I am GONE. Las Penas in the winter and Guatemala or Nicaragua for the summer. Live somewhere for 10-years the pueblito becomes a bit boring. My kid and granddaughters can survive six months without grandpa.

Nevertheless I remember weather winters and summers well. Feb 2003 at Boca was too cool for me. I'm going to be traveing with my new Thinsulate level 3 comforter. And three Fantastic Fan Endless Breeze fans. The eldest gets new brushes and bushings next week.

The key is to be prepared. Then the weather isn't such a big deal.

A simple question: what caused previous ice ages and subsequent warming before man arrived?

Not even remotely a simple question and absolutely nothing to do with what is happening today. Thousands or millions or even hundreds of years ago man was not burning fossil fuels to power electric generators or motor vehicles of every type imaginable. What happened previously is irrelevant to what is happening today. There is no simple answer. It is not a simple question. Never before has what is happening now happened because never before has man had such a hand in it. There is no comparison of what happened before to what is happening now. How is this not obvious to even the most casual observer? Or are not not observing. Science provides facts. This not some wild theory. Where do you think all the stuff we are spewing goes and what do you think it does? Do you really think anything like it has ever happened before? Explain when and how. Do you really think someone is making all of this up like some movie plot? I would agree that it has certainly been presented poorly but that does not mean it is not true. The air is full of it in measurable amounts. No one is making this up. Why is it so difficult to comprehend. Denial? Maybe if we ignore it it will go away? Seriously? Do you really think what happened before has anything to do with today? Where have you been?

A simple question: what caused previous ice ages and subsequent warming before man arrived?

Are we now wanting to debate global warming.

As I said in my original posts - I am in no way qualified to debate this topic. I know what I have seen and I know what I have read. Scientist have measuring equipment for all kinds of things. They have data. They study and research. But it is still not about weather but someone here tried to put weather and climate change is the same and they are not. When hurricane predictors look at factors such as ocean temperatures they try to figure out what will happen with the weather. That they do not get it right and the predicted hurricanes don't happen does not change the fact that their measuring equipment told them the ocean temperatures are up - that is fact - that the hurricanes did not materialize has to do with other facts. That did not change the temperature of the ocean. They also have data gather from the atmosphere which is done by all kinds of different scientific equipment all over the world. And of course they study the coral for pollutants and can determine cause of death just as a doctor can determine cause of death when a human dies. This is just silliness - that there are still people out there who find unscientific ways to discredit what 97% of the world's experts on the subject agree on. And of course there are still those who think the earth is flat too. True genius. Neil Armstrong never set foot on the moon - all down in a Hollywood studio. Man cannot fly. Thunder is the angry gods. Amazing. We can see pollution and the effects all over yet still they deny it exists.

MexicoWanderer, enjoy your posts! I camped at Tenacatita only a short distance from Bocca de Iguanas, for the first time in 2003, did most of January and all of February there, still on the Bahia Tenacatita. My journal covered every day in February and I wanted to check that I had the same cold time that you did. I might have missed it, but don't think so. It was often in the low sixties on getting up early in the mornings, but if it goes to 48 F. in the evening I'm thinking, there should have been a downward spike by morning. None. My fifteen or so journals are seldom read now, but reading that one on our first time driving into Mexico, was interesting for me. Thanks for the inspiration to read it.

Wow: Are we now wanting to debate global warming.

Moisheh

briansue wrote:

ridiculous claims.

Based on your post we have to assume you have spent many years diving in the Caribbean and have years of log books to substantiate your claim that the temperatures haven't risen. I guess our thermometers and all our friends thermometers are not as accurate as yours. We have also seen the coral dying as the scientists use stakes and rope to mark off specific areas of the reefs to study them and the deterioration. I also have years of video of the same reefs. But I am sure you have much more information than I do. And I am sure you can also dispute with scientific proof the 97% or the world's scientists who also say temps are rising. Note - ocean temps in specific areas are probably similar to weather changes - and again the argument that weather and climate are not the same. When scientists say ocean temps rise they are talking about the entire planet while I am talking about a specific area. The fact that reefs die is reason enough for concern. Note also that scientists make some of their hurricane predictions based on ocean temps and they put that info out every year prior to hurricane season. But don't bother to do any research because you might learn something.

Ocean temperatures at any one location is much more dependent on local conditions rather than "climate change". It is pure fact, that no one can say they personally have experienced climate change due to the temperature at a given location. The reefs you reference could have died from pollution, a cooling trend, a shift in the gulf stream, a storm disturbing the seafloor, military exercises, disease, tourists diving in the area and damaging the coral and who knows what else. Blaming "global warming" or "climate change" is merely an uneducated guess.
And those hurricane forecasts sure have been accurate. I thought the east coast should have been destroyed by monster storms by now. That was the impression the "Global Warming" advocates were conveying, before it became "climate change". If you were to "do any research", you would see that in the last few years the hurricane forecasts have actually been very inaccurate. So either their models or their data is wrong. And if the forecast models or data are wrong, who is to say the climate change models or data are also not accurate.
Accurate temperature records reach back only a couple of hundred years, at best. The earth has been around for several billion years. A two hundred year sample is, by definition, insufficient to make statistically accurate conclusions. I have not been convinced, one way or the other, simply because the data used to draw all these conclusions are sketchy, at best.

Please explain previous cooling and warming on the Earth. As stated earlier, where I now sit was once covered with ice 7,800 feet deep. It's presently about 4" deep.
Please... seriously. The alarmists never do. Enlighten me, I yearn to learn.

ridiculous claims.

Based on your post we have to assume you have spent many years diving in the Caribbean and have years of log books to substantiate your claim that the temperatures haven't risen. I guess our thermometers and all our friends thermometers are not as accurate as yours. We have also seen the coral dying as the scientists use stakes and rope to mark off specific areas of the reefs to study them and the deterioration. I also have years of video of the same reefs. But I am sure you have much more information than I do. And I am sure you can also dispute with scientific proof the 97% or the world's scientists who also say temps are rising. Note - ocean temps in specific areas are probably similar to weather changes - and again the argument that weather and climate are not the same. When scientists say ocean temps rise they are talking about the entire planet while I am talking about a specific area. The fact that reefs die is reason enough for concern. Note also that scientists make some of their hurricane predictions based on ocean temps and they put that info out every year prior to hurricane season. But don't bother to do any research because you might learn something.