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MDKMDK wrote:
JaxDad wrote:
MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.
When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.
The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.
You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?
If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.
"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.
I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there.
In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area.
In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area.
So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area.JaxDad wrote:
MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.
When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.
The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.
You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?
If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.
"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.- Compare Covid stats between BC and Washington State. There's a clear indication why the border needs to stay closed.
NRALIFR wrote:
“ (not really, just pulling that old Sarah Palin gaff out of the archives for effect)”
I know that was said in jest, and I accept it as such. But, just for the record, that was actually Tina Fey, playing Sarah Palin on SNL, who said “And I can see Russia from my house.”
What Sarah Palin actually said, and is 100% true, is that “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska”.
While that quote even gets a chuckle out of me, It’s very much like the quote that’s always attributed to Sherlock Holmes. He never said that in any of the books authored by his creator.
:):)
I didn't expect to "fact checked" on that reference, but right you are. I was thinking more people might recall the SNL skit by using SP's name than TF's. Haven't watched SNL since the mid-80s. Lorne Michaels must be the unofficial king of TV producer longevity? Born in Toronto left Canada to make his home in the USA, and became a US citizen in 1987, like most of our successful media types eventually do.
Thinking about the Russia reference, we could have seen Russia from the Yukon, and BC, if you folks hadn't bought that big snowy piece of real estate from them. There are probably still lots of Russian names and places up there to this day. I almost spit coffee when I saw the sign for Kalifornsky when we were headed out towards Homer a few years ago. It's quite a place, Alaska.- “ (not really, just pulling that old Sarah Palin gaff out of the archives for effect)”
I know that was said in jest, and I accept it as such. But, just for the record, that was actually Tina Fey, playing Sarah Palin on SNL, who said “And I can see Russia from my house.”
What Sarah Palin actually said, and is 100% true, is that “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska”.
While that quote even gets a chuckle out of me, It’s very much like the quote that’s always attributed to Sherlock Holmes. He never said that in any of the books authored by his creator.
:):) - CBC has one of the best records for fact checking on Planet Earth.
:) Reisender wrote:
MDKMDK wrote:
Reisender wrote:
This is polled regularly. The majority (more than 80 percent) of Canadians want the land border kept closed. The premiers and prime minister are respecting the wishes of the citizens and taking appropriate action.
Air travel is currently unrestricted out of the country but one must self isolate upon returning. If someone needs to leave the country they can. They just have to a fly.
Gary thank you for your informative link.
Cheers.
That's because 80% of Canadians never venture outside their neighborhoods, let alone across the border, so it doesn't matter to them. Try polling the people that actually cross the border, those that live in border towns and cities, and regularly cross it, and see if your numbers hold up. Do they poll snowbirds, I wonder?
Depends where you live I guess. We live in a town full of snowbirds and own property in a snowbird community. I haven’t met one person who wants the border open. In addition we haven’t met one person who plans on going south even if the borders open....unless of course there is an effective vaccine by then. Personally I would like to go south this fall as we are making some renos to our property there. But won’t risk my families health or that of my community to do it.
I respect your position. I understand your concerns.
And those of everyone else. Opinions vary.
It's that type of issue, on this type of forum.
I live on the border. I can see Michigan from my front window. (not really, just pulling that old Sarah Palin gaff out of the archives for effect)
That's what forms my opinion.MDKMDK wrote:
Reisender wrote:
This is polled regularly. The majority (more than 80 percent) of Canadians want the land border kept closed. The premiers and prime minister are respecting the wishes of the citizens and taking appropriate action.
Air travel is currently unrestricted out of the country but one must self isolate upon returning. If someone needs to leave the country they can. They just have to a fly.
Gary thank you for your informative link.
Cheers.
That's because 80% of Canadians never venture outside their neighborhoods, let alone across the border, so it doesn't matter to them. Try polling the people that actually cross the border, those that live in border towns and cities, and regularly cross it, and see if your numbers hold up. Do they poll snowbirds, I wonder?
Depends where you live I guess. We live in a town full of snowbirds and own property in a snowbird community. I haven’t met one person who wants the border open. In addition we haven’t met one person who plans on going south even if the borders open....unless of course there is an effective vaccine by then. Personally I would like to go south this fall as we are making some renos to our property there. But won’t risk my families health or that of my community to do it.JaxDad wrote:
MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.
When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.
The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.
You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?
If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.
I get that part. I'm just tired of the closure. I think it should be optional to cross it. If you're a regular traveler and/or snowbird, wait until October/November and see if flattening the curve is still as important to you. I think some minds may change then, as this thing semingly drags out forever. Was there ever a vaccine for West Nile? SARS 1.0? Swine/Avian Flus? Not that I know of, and I suspect that trend will continue with SARS 2.0, so the suggestion that we wait for one effectively means we are isolated as a country. Keep in mind that many "essential" travelers are still regularly crossing the border and potentially unflattening the curve. There are just too many unknowns, variables, and contradictory "experts" on this whole situation, to know what the answer is, but some experts are beginning to turn towards herd immunity as the best option. It may be the only way out of our national bubble.MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.
When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.
The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.
You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?
If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.
