Refused entry with a truck & camper
Had a call this morning from Mike & Terri, they are being refused entry with a truck camper on a 1 ton. My mexican partner is trying to deal with it via phone. Not sure if the issue is the truck bein...
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Here is what the only law I can find says…………
Restricciones de los vehiculos que pueden importarse temporalmente
Restrictions on vehicles that may be temporarily imported:
Vehiculos que tengan una capacidad de carga maxima de hasta tres y media toneladas de peso (3 y ½ toneladas que equivalen a 7716.17 libras)
Vehicles having a maximum load capacity of up to three and a half tonnes of weight (3 and 1/2 tonnes equivalent to 7716.17 pounds).
To me that means the weight that can be carried by the pickup truck – which to me also would be what we call CCC ( Cargo Carry Capacity) which to me is similar to the words in the Mexican law where they use their term Capacidad de Carga.
Previously above in this thread I posted some other terms used to classify weight in motor vehicles – used in the US – would these then be some of what is written on the label of the pickup truck or on the registration?
The gross combined weight rating or gross combination weight rating (GCWR), also referred to as the gross combination mass (GCM), gross train weight (GTW), or maximum authorised mass (MAM), is the maximum allowable combined mass of a road vehicle, the passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle, plus the mass of the trailer and cargo in the trailer. This rating is set by the vehicle manufacturer.
UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) is the weight of the unit as built at the factory. with full fuel tanks, engine oil and coolants. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh water, LP gas, occupants or dealer-installed accessories.
CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity), used Sept 2000 – present, means GVWR minus the following: UVW, full fresh (potable) water weight (including that for the water heater) full LP gas weight, and SCWR. Note: Remember that optional accessories or equipment not included in the UVW will take up part of the Cargo Carrying Capacity.
Here is a Ford website where they list all the model pickups they make.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/2017/models/f350-king-ranch/?gnav=vhpnav
There are far too many numbers and combination of numbers for me to provide them here – you can go to the website to see what they all say.
First they list numbers for conventional towing where they show the GCWR of all the various different models. Note about what GCWR means. It is not CCC. Depending on the model these will show a GCWR of anywhere from 19,500 to 41,800 lbs.
They show another number which I am not sure what it means. They start at 12,600 and go up to 21,000. Is this the CCC or the total weight of the trailer?
Conventional Towing - Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight Ratings (lbs.)
MAX GCWR (lbs.) F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-450 4x4
Then there is Gooseneck towing which I assume would be 5th wheel. Again they show GCWR of from 19,500 to 41,800 and another number I assume is the maximum trailer weight they can pull – or is it the CCC? These seem to range from 12,400 up to 32,000 lbs.
5th Wheel Gooseneck Towing - Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight Ratings (lbs.)
MAX GCWR (lbs.) F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-450 4x4
Then they show this Maximum Payload Package which to me would be the CCC – but I have no idea where this information would be available to the border people. Note the first column I show below says GCWR and in this case it is 14,000 lbs. That is for the biggest and most heavy duty F-450 Ford makes. Then there are these other numbers which I can only assume are the CCC for these specific vehicles. But I do not know. I do not see the term CCC used anywhere here but they do say Maximum Payload which may or may not mean the amount of weight the model is rated to carry. To me this would be CCC but I am guessing.
Maximum Payload Package Selector (lbs.)
Regular Cab Super Cab Crew Cab
GVWR (lbs)........ 141.5" WB...... 147.9" WB...... 164.1" WB...... 159.7" WB..... 175.9" WB
Max 14,000...... 7,630..... 4,620...... 7,200...... 4,470..... 6,950
So there are a lot of numbers and possible combinations of numbers. What I do not know is which numbers the border people are looking for and what numbers they are looking at when they reject a specific vehicle.
But does the Mexican term “Capacidad de Carga” mean the same as the US term CCC? Is that what they are looking for? Are they looking at GCWR and thinking it means “Capacidad de Carga”? Does Fords term “Maximum Payload” mean the same as CCC?
If the written law says the “Capacidad de Carga” and seems to be 7716.17 lbs and we then look at the number the Ford website says is their “Maximum Payload” on their biggest pickup is 7,630 lbs it would seem this number is under the number Mexico is looking for. So my questions have to do with whether or not there is some confusion about the definitions of the terms and what the border people might be seeing that turns on the red light.
F-450 DRW 4x4
Maximum Conventional Towing 21,000 lbs.
Maximum 5th Wheel Towing 27,500 lbs.
Maximum Gooseneck Towing 32,500 lbs.
Maximum Payload 7,630 lbs.
Maximum GVWR 14,000 lbs.
Restricciones de los vehiculos que pueden importarse temporalmente
Restrictions on vehicles that may be temporarily imported:
Vehiculos que tengan una capacidad de carga maxima de hasta tres y media toneladas de peso (3 y ½ toneladas que equivalen a 7716.17 libras)
Vehicles having a maximum load capacity of up to three and a half tonnes of weight (3 and 1/2 tonnes equivalent to 7716.17 pounds).
To me that means the weight that can be carried by the pickup truck – which to me also would be what we call CCC ( Cargo Carry Capacity) which to me is similar to the words in the Mexican law where they use their term Capacidad de Carga.
Previously above in this thread I posted some other terms used to classify weight in motor vehicles – used in the US – would these then be some of what is written on the label of the pickup truck or on the registration?
The gross combined weight rating or gross combination weight rating (GCWR), also referred to as the gross combination mass (GCM), gross train weight (GTW), or maximum authorised mass (MAM), is the maximum allowable combined mass of a road vehicle, the passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle, plus the mass of the trailer and cargo in the trailer. This rating is set by the vehicle manufacturer.
UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) is the weight of the unit as built at the factory. with full fuel tanks, engine oil and coolants. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh water, LP gas, occupants or dealer-installed accessories.
CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity), used Sept 2000 – present, means GVWR minus the following: UVW, full fresh (potable) water weight (including that for the water heater) full LP gas weight, and SCWR. Note: Remember that optional accessories or equipment not included in the UVW will take up part of the Cargo Carrying Capacity.
Here is a Ford website where they list all the model pickups they make.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/2017/models/f350-king-ranch/?gnav=vhpnav
There are far too many numbers and combination of numbers for me to provide them here – you can go to the website to see what they all say.
First they list numbers for conventional towing where they show the GCWR of all the various different models. Note about what GCWR means. It is not CCC. Depending on the model these will show a GCWR of anywhere from 19,500 to 41,800 lbs.
They show another number which I am not sure what it means. They start at 12,600 and go up to 21,000. Is this the CCC or the total weight of the trailer?
Conventional Towing - Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight Ratings (lbs.)
MAX GCWR (lbs.) F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-450 4x4
Then there is Gooseneck towing which I assume would be 5th wheel. Again they show GCWR of from 19,500 to 41,800 and another number I assume is the maximum trailer weight they can pull – or is it the CCC? These seem to range from 12,400 up to 32,000 lbs.
5th Wheel Gooseneck Towing - Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight Ratings (lbs.)
MAX GCWR (lbs.) F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-250 4x2 F-250 4x4 F-350 4x2 F-350 4x4 F-450 4x4
Then they show this Maximum Payload Package which to me would be the CCC – but I have no idea where this information would be available to the border people. Note the first column I show below says GCWR and in this case it is 14,000 lbs. That is for the biggest and most heavy duty F-450 Ford makes. Then there are these other numbers which I can only assume are the CCC for these specific vehicles. But I do not know. I do not see the term CCC used anywhere here but they do say Maximum Payload which may or may not mean the amount of weight the model is rated to carry. To me this would be CCC but I am guessing.
Maximum Payload Package Selector (lbs.)
Regular Cab Super Cab Crew Cab
GVWR (lbs)........ 141.5" WB...... 147.9" WB...... 164.1" WB...... 159.7" WB..... 175.9" WB
Max 14,000...... 7,630..... 4,620...... 7,200...... 4,470..... 6,950
So there are a lot of numbers and possible combinations of numbers. What I do not know is which numbers the border people are looking for and what numbers they are looking at when they reject a specific vehicle.
But does the Mexican term “Capacidad de Carga” mean the same as the US term CCC? Is that what they are looking for? Are they looking at GCWR and thinking it means “Capacidad de Carga”? Does Fords term “Maximum Payload” mean the same as CCC?
If the written law says the “Capacidad de Carga” and seems to be 7716.17 lbs and we then look at the number the Ford website says is their “Maximum Payload” on their biggest pickup is 7,630 lbs it would seem this number is under the number Mexico is looking for. So my questions have to do with whether or not there is some confusion about the definitions of the terms and what the border people might be seeing that turns on the red light.
F-450 DRW 4x4
Maximum Conventional Towing 21,000 lbs.
Maximum 5th Wheel Towing 27,500 lbs.
Maximum Gooseneck Towing 32,500 lbs.
Maximum Payload 7,630 lbs.
Maximum GVWR 14,000 lbs.
