Refused entry with a truck & camper
Had a call this morning from Mike & Terri, they are being refused entry with a truck camper on a 1 ton. My mexican partner is trying to deal with it via phone. Not sure if the issue is the truck bein...
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In 2010 I had a little char with Caesar Nava, a senior Aduanero, at the edifico Hacienda (SAT SHCP) on Reforma. Being I speak Spanish the conversation went smoothly.
Aduana and Banjercito are instructed strictly to determine and enforce whether or not a converted vehicle normally "associated to be a commercial cargo carrier" to be "absolved" of that designation "when such modifications have been done to that vehicle as to make it obviously impractical to convert it back to cargo carrying status"
An immediate issue was a moot point as my pickup with slide in camper had been issued a 180-day TIP. I had been warned the 1-ton vehicle with side utility boxes would be rejected issuance of a 180-day TIP re-entering Mexico from the south either at La Mesilla, or Cd Cuauhtemoc, Chiapas. I would be issued a 15-day transmigrante permit and FMM that was not changeable. The pickup and my butt had to exit Mexico before 15-days, no exceptions. That prompted the visit.
The sad news is, waving paperwork in front of Aduana only serves to make them angry. If they have something stuck in their head ESPECIALLY a new rule that was being enforced border-wide, the chances of persuasion are nil even if the Library of Congress was dumped at their feet. Absolutely ZERO will change their mind except a telephone call or FAX from on high that would exempt them from continuing to enforce a rule exactly as they had been doing all along.
Mr. Nava told me bluntly. It's a question of Mordida. An Aduanero who he himself exempts a vehicle or vehicle from a specifically UNDERSTOOD regulation would be considered a MORDELON slang for a bribe-taker.
The minute a vehicle is entered into the Banjercito computer it is subject to auditing at the Aduana headquarters in Mexico City. The database cross references VIN numbers to vehicle data. If a chassis has been permanently modified to forever convert it to a "casarodante" the border Aduanero fears no reprisals.
Let that vehicle pass through a RETEN, a roadside inspection where a laptop computer is connected to DF Aduana via Banda Ancha, and the SSP flag a vehicle as not being a permanent conversion. You can bet your sweet butt, heads are going to roll. The capitan de la oficina SSP in Petlatlan Guerrero was kind enough to point this out to me. His men had checked every document, every license plate tag, VIN, driver's license, registration, that I own.
So someone showing up at the border bearing a ream of interpretations of vehicle terminology stands about as much chance as an ice cube in hell of swaying an Aduanero to somehow, by some miracle unforeseen to change his mind about a 3/4 ton pickup.
My advice is to WAIT. Wait until a few trustworthy forum members have absolutely proven a change in rules has been effected by actually going through with a TIP before getting all "wound up" about a sudden change of rules. Changes can only happen by rules being issued from Mexico City. NOT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL AT THE BORDER.
You can do this the easy way or the painful way. When the individual at Banjercito says "No" they do not mean "Maybe".
Aduana and Banjercito are instructed strictly to determine and enforce whether or not a converted vehicle normally "associated to be a commercial cargo carrier" to be "absolved" of that designation "when such modifications have been done to that vehicle as to make it obviously impractical to convert it back to cargo carrying status"
An immediate issue was a moot point as my pickup with slide in camper had been issued a 180-day TIP. I had been warned the 1-ton vehicle with side utility boxes would be rejected issuance of a 180-day TIP re-entering Mexico from the south either at La Mesilla, or Cd Cuauhtemoc, Chiapas. I would be issued a 15-day transmigrante permit and FMM that was not changeable. The pickup and my butt had to exit Mexico before 15-days, no exceptions. That prompted the visit.
The sad news is, waving paperwork in front of Aduana only serves to make them angry. If they have something stuck in their head ESPECIALLY a new rule that was being enforced border-wide, the chances of persuasion are nil even if the Library of Congress was dumped at their feet. Absolutely ZERO will change their mind except a telephone call or FAX from on high that would exempt them from continuing to enforce a rule exactly as they had been doing all along.
Mr. Nava told me bluntly. It's a question of Mordida. An Aduanero who he himself exempts a vehicle or vehicle from a specifically UNDERSTOOD regulation would be considered a MORDELON slang for a bribe-taker.
The minute a vehicle is entered into the Banjercito computer it is subject to auditing at the Aduana headquarters in Mexico City. The database cross references VIN numbers to vehicle data. If a chassis has been permanently modified to forever convert it to a "casarodante" the border Aduanero fears no reprisals.
Let that vehicle pass through a RETEN, a roadside inspection where a laptop computer is connected to DF Aduana via Banda Ancha, and the SSP flag a vehicle as not being a permanent conversion. You can bet your sweet butt, heads are going to roll. The capitan de la oficina SSP in Petlatlan Guerrero was kind enough to point this out to me. His men had checked every document, every license plate tag, VIN, driver's license, registration, that I own.
So someone showing up at the border bearing a ream of interpretations of vehicle terminology stands about as much chance as an ice cube in hell of swaying an Aduanero to somehow, by some miracle unforeseen to change his mind about a 3/4 ton pickup.
My advice is to WAIT. Wait until a few trustworthy forum members have absolutely proven a change in rules has been effected by actually going through with a TIP before getting all "wound up" about a sudden change of rules. Changes can only happen by rules being issued from Mexico City. NOT FROM AN INDIVIDUAL AT THE BORDER.
You can do this the easy way or the painful way. When the individual at Banjercito says "No" they do not mean "Maybe".
