MEXICOWANDERER wrote: Outside of NAFTA cross border shuttle areas it is all regular USA diesel.
When I make statements about regular diesel being shipped to Canada do I need to clarify sea-lawyer style that the fuel is used in commercial fishing vessels and the ferry system between Vancouver, Nanaimo, and the mainland?
Some of you folks have GOT TO actually look at the diesel being dispensed instead of simply guessing or assuming things are this way or that way.
ACTUALLY SAMPLING DIESEL for clarity reveals ULSD is all but transparent. Regular USA diesel is not as easy to distinguish. I have to do it in full direct sunlight. Regular Mexican diesel has a definite yellowish tinge. Diesel Marina is not only definitely pure yellow it is noticeably more viscous. Diesel Marina cannot be purchased for pleasure craft - it is purchased using a ship's manifest.
I was planningto do this but some have told me you cannot tell the difference. Maybe i will give it a go and take a clear jar of us diesel with me in November.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-12T07:17:14.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-12T07:17:14.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":313},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358848","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1096","rawBody":"
MEXICOWANDERER wrote: Outside of NAFTA cross border shuttle areas it is all regular USA diesel.
When I make statements about regular diesel being shipped to Canada do I need to clarify sea-lawyer style that the fuel is used in commercial fishing vessels and the ferry system between Vancouver, Nanaimo, and the mainland?
Some of you folks have GOT TO actually look at the diesel being dispensed instead of simply guessing or assuming things are this way or that way.
ACTUALLY SAMPLING DIESEL for clarity reveals ULSD is all but transparent. Regular USA diesel is not as easy to distinguish. I have to do it in full direct sunlight. Regular Mexican diesel has a definite yellowish tinge. Diesel Marina is not only definitely pure yellow it is noticeably more viscous. Diesel Marina cannot be purchased for pleasure craft - it is purchased using a ship's manifest.
I was planningto do this but some have told me you cannot tell the difference. Maybe i will give it a go and take a clear jar of us diesel with me in November.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2358848_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358847":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2358847","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2358847":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2358847","revisionNum":1,"uid":2358847,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2358763"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2358763"},"subject":"Re: ULSD","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358847"},"body":"I do not know for sure but what I have turned up in my research is that ocean going ships still use \"high sulfur\" but not sure if that would be LSD - meaning 500pm or below - or if it is even higher. High sulfur is still produced in small quantities (as is LSD) but as near as I can tell it is only for \"marine use\" - and they way I have read that is it is for ocean going ships - it is cheap stuff and they use huge quantities.
I was very surprised to see that the US ships high sulfur to Canada - and almost none to Mexico. Here are the numbers from my previous post for Canada between Feb 2016 and Jul 2016.......
Greater than 15 to 500 ppm Sulfur …..\t749……\t886……\t732……\t339……\t245…….\t63\t
Greater than 500 to 2000 ppm Sulfur ……\t53…….\t73…….\t65…….\t173……\t134…….\t169
That is for thousands of barrels. It may seem like a lot but in the overall scheme of things it is not really a lot. If it is for things like freighters sailing to China or other parts unknown.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-11T16:12:16.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-11T16:12:16.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":313},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358847","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1011","rawBody":"I do not know for sure but what I have turned up in my research is that ocean going ships still use \"high sulfur\" but not sure if that would be LSD - meaning 500pm or below - or if it is even higher. High sulfur is still produced in small quantities (as is LSD) but as near as I can tell it is only for \"marine use\" - and they way I have read that is it is for ocean going ships - it is cheap stuff and they use huge quantities.
I was very surprised to see that the US ships high sulfur to Canada - and almost none to Mexico. Here are the numbers from my previous post for Canada between Feb 2016 and Jul 2016.......
Greater than 15 to 500 ppm Sulfur …..\t749……\t886……\t732……\t339……\t245…….\t63\t
Greater than 500 to 2000 ppm Sulfur ……\t53…….\t73…….\t65…….\t173……\t134…….\t169
That is for thousands of barrels. It may seem like a lot but in the overall scheme of things it is not really a lot. If it is for things like freighters sailing to China or other parts unknown.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2358847_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358846":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2358846","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2358846":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:168075"},"id":"message:2358846","revisionNum":1,"uid":2358846,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2358763"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2358763"},"subject":"Re: ULSD","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358846"},"body":"There is no way the BC Government would use LSD. Probably illegal in Canada There is a reason BC is the LEFT coast!
Moisheh","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"127","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-11T13:47:32.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-11T13:47:32.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":313},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358846","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"135","rawBody":"There is no way the BC Government would use LSD. Probably illegal in Canada There is a reason BC is the LEFT coast!
You continue to use the term \"regular diesel\" when the rest of us speak of LSD or ULSD. There are other possible terms. We have no idea what \"regular diesel\" is. Can you please specify what you mean - to which specific fuel are you referring?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-11T12:09:44.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-11T12:09:44.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358845","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"294","rawBody":"
regular diesel
You continue to use the term \"regular diesel\" when the rest of us speak of LSD or ULSD. There are other possible terms. We have no idea what \"regular diesel\" is. Can you please specify what you mean - to which specific fuel are you referring?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2358845_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358844":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2358844","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2358844":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2358844","revisionNum":1,"uid":2358844,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2358763"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2358763"},"subject":"Re: ULSD","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358844"},"body":"
When I make statements about regular diesel being shipped to Canada do I need to clarify sea-lawyer style that the fuel is used in commercial fishing vessels and the ferry system between Vancouver, Nanaimo, and the mainland?
MORE CONFLICTING INFORMATION - From the official BC Ferries website - and Independent Review of Fuel Management states that BC Ferries use ULSD. They are in the process of converting to LNG. Can you please tell us where you get your information?
BC Ferries’ fleet is currently fuelled by ultra-low sulphur diesel. Fuel costs represent BC Ferries’ second largest operating expenditures and, in “2014/15”, these costs were $118.6 million.
BC Ferries seeks to minimize fuel costs and fuel price volatility through strategies that include:
• Initiatives and capital projects directed at reducing consumption;
• Transitioning to more efficient and lower cost alternative fuels, principally liquefied natural gas (“LNG”);
Editorial: Ferries and LNG go well together http://www.cfoa.ca/uncategorized/editorial-ferries-and-lng-go-well-together/","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-11T12:05:21.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-11T12:05:21.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358844","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1336","rawBody":"
When I make statements about regular diesel being shipped to Canada do I need to clarify sea-lawyer style that the fuel is used in commercial fishing vessels and the ferry system between Vancouver, Nanaimo, and the mainland?
MORE CONFLICTING INFORMATION - From the official BC Ferries website - and Independent Review of Fuel Management states that BC Ferries use ULSD. They are in the process of converting to LNG. Can you please tell us where you get your information?
BC Ferries’ fleet is currently fuelled by ultra-low sulphur diesel. Fuel costs represent BC Ferries’ second largest operating expenditures and, in “2014/15”, these costs were $118.6 million.
BC Ferries seeks to minimize fuel costs and fuel price volatility through strategies that include:
• Initiatives and capital projects directed at reducing consumption;
• Transitioning to more efficient and lower cost alternative fuels, principally liquefied natural gas (“LNG”);
Editorial: Ferries and LNG go well together http://www.cfoa.ca/uncategorized/editorial-ferries-and-lng-go-well-together/","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2358844_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358843":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2358843","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2358843":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2358843","revisionNum":1,"uid":2358843,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2358763"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2358763"},"subject":"Re: ULSD","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358843"},"body":"
Outside of NAFTA cross border shuttle areas it is all regular USA diesel.
Can you please explain why everything I find online including all the US official gov't websites say the fuel the US sends to Mexico is ULSD. Can you please reference some official website where you get your information that the fuel sent to Mexico from the US is what you refer to as regular diesel - as opposed to clarifying if you mean LSD or ULSD. Why does your information seems to disagree with the official statistics I have posted and reference in this thread? Why does US EIA show tankers full of ULSD going to Veracruz from the US gulf coast?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-11T11:47:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-11T11:47:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":313},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358843","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"668","rawBody":"
Outside of NAFTA cross border shuttle areas it is all regular USA diesel.
Can you please explain why everything I find online including all the US official gov't websites say the fuel the US sends to Mexico is ULSD. Can you please reference some official website where you get your information that the fuel sent to Mexico from the US is what you refer to as regular diesel - as opposed to clarifying if you mean LSD or ULSD. Why does your information seems to disagree with the official statistics I have posted and reference in this thread? Why does US EIA show tankers full of ULSD going to Veracruz from the US gulf coast?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2358843_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358842":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2358842","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2358842":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2358842","revisionNum":1,"uid":2358842,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2358763"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2358763"},"subject":"Re: ULSD","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358842"},"body":"More curiosity about fuels used in Mexico took me to looking at electricity power plants in Mexico.
What does this have to do with ULSD you might ask? When I saw pipelines being built in TX I did not know what they were for. I later learned they are for natural gas. Mexico is building new power plants that will use natural gas. Mexico is also converting old fuel oil (diesel) fired power plants to use natural gas. This will not only help to clean the air but since natural gas has now become a very cheap fuel there could be a reduction in electricity costs. As Mexico converts to natural gas and gets more ULSD shipped in from the US more ULSD should be available for vehicle use - theoretical speculation. Maybe this is relevant and maybe it isn't.
Mexico is also building more hydroelectric plants as well as wind and solar plants - even geothermal and landfill gas (methane). These are all renewable resources producing minimal pollution.
I found many more websites with very little information about the conversion from fuel oil to natural gas. Mexico is spending a lot of money to build new natural gas power plants and to convert old plants to natural gas. Most of what I found online was about all the new pipelines that are being built to move natural gas from the US to Mexico. But also that Mexico is opening up their own natural gas resources by allowing new drilling which will provide them with much more of their own natural gas.
Here is a website and some numbers I found. The columns probably won't line up but you can probably figure it out. Go to the website to learn more.
Fuel Type\tNumber of Power Plants Hydro...............\t67 Natural Gas........\t25 Wind.................\t6 Solar Radiation....\t5 Geothermal........\t3 Coal.............\t3 Fuel Oil........\t2 Landfill Gas.......\t1 Municipal Solid Waste\t1 Nuclear..........\t1","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-11T11:33:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-11T11:33:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358842","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2017","rawBody":"More curiosity about fuels used in Mexico took me to looking at electricity power plants in Mexico.
What does this have to do with ULSD you might ask? When I saw pipelines being built in TX I did not know what they were for. I later learned they are for natural gas. Mexico is building new power plants that will use natural gas. Mexico is also converting old fuel oil (diesel) fired power plants to use natural gas. This will not only help to clean the air but since natural gas has now become a very cheap fuel there could be a reduction in electricity costs. As Mexico converts to natural gas and gets more ULSD shipped in from the US more ULSD should be available for vehicle use - theoretical speculation. Maybe this is relevant and maybe it isn't.
Mexico is also building more hydroelectric plants as well as wind and solar plants - even geothermal and landfill gas (methane). These are all renewable resources producing minimal pollution.
I found many more websites with very little information about the conversion from fuel oil to natural gas. Mexico is spending a lot of money to build new natural gas power plants and to convert old plants to natural gas. Most of what I found online was about all the new pipelines that are being built to move natural gas from the US to Mexico. But also that Mexico is opening up their own natural gas resources by allowing new drilling which will provide them with much more of their own natural gas.
Here is a website and some numbers I found. The columns probably won't line up but you can probably figure it out. Go to the website to learn more.
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When I make statements about regular diesel being shipped to Canada do I need to clarify sea-lawyer style that the fuel is used in commercial fishing vessels and the ferry system between Vancouver, Nanaimo, and the mainland?
Some of you folks have GOT TO actually look at the diesel being dispensed instead of simply guessing or assuming things are this way or that way.
ACTUALLY SAMPLING DIESEL for clarity reveals ULSD is all but transparent. Regular USA diesel is not as easy to distinguish. I have to do it in full direct sunlight. Regular Mexican diesel has a definite yellowish tinge. Diesel Marina is not only definitely pure yellow it is noticeably more viscous. Diesel Marina cannot be purchased for pleasure craft - it is purchased using a ship's manifest.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-11T11:24:20.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-11T11:24:20.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358841","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"873","rawBody":"Outside of NAFTA cross border shuttle areas it is all regular USA diesel.
When I make statements about regular diesel being shipped to Canada do I need to clarify sea-lawyer style that the fuel is used in commercial fishing vessels and the ferry system between Vancouver, Nanaimo, and the mainland?
Some of you folks have GOT TO actually look at the diesel being dispensed instead of simply guessing or assuming things are this way or that way.
ACTUALLY SAMPLING DIESEL for clarity reveals ULSD is all but transparent. Regular USA diesel is not as easy to distinguish. I have to do it in full direct sunlight. Regular Mexican diesel has a definite yellowish tinge. Diesel Marina is not only definitely pure yellow it is noticeably more viscous. Diesel Marina cannot be purchased for pleasure craft - it is purchased using a ship's manifest.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2358841_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358840":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2358840","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2358840":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:105659"},"id":"message:2358840","revisionNum":1,"uid":2358840,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2358763"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2358763"},"subject":"Re: ULSD","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2358840"},"body":"
PEMEX will be the sole provider of domestic fuel to these stations. Each station will not get it's proprietary brand from a US refinery. Pemex will do the distributing. Pemex will collect the money from the station.
Agreed - my previous post about the law did say that all distribution in Mexico must be done by Pemex - storage and transportation. As one of my previous posts stated - Gulf no longer produces fuel - they buy it and sell it in their stations as do several other brand names - they do not refine themselves. They will probably by buying in Mexico just as they do in the US.
According to the websites I posted much of the ULSD from the US Gulf Coast goes by ship to what appears to be Veracruz (is there more than one gulf coast port for this type commodity?). Where it goes from there I do not know - but assume it would makes sense for at least some of it to find it's way to Mexico City (about 250 miles away over hill and dale). 200 to 300 million gallons per month seems like a lot to me - but maybe it is not?
ambiguous. For instance it is far cheaper to import regular US refined LSD diesel to remote Chihuahua and Sonora than it is to ship it north from Reynosa, or Salamanca.
According to the numbers I found they move very little LSD relative to the amount of ULSD.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2016-10-10T15:31:05.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2016-10-10T15:31:05.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:BucketlistDestinations/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:BucketlistDestinationsforum-board/message:2358763/message:2358840","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1385","rawBody":"
PEMEX will be the sole provider of domestic fuel to these stations. Each station will not get it's proprietary brand from a US refinery. Pemex will do the distributing. Pemex will collect the money from the station.
Agreed - my previous post about the law did say that all distribution in Mexico must be done by Pemex - storage and transportation. As one of my previous posts stated - Gulf no longer produces fuel - they buy it and sell it in their stations as do several other brand names - they do not refine themselves. They will probably by buying in Mexico just as they do in the US.
According to the websites I posted much of the ULSD from the US Gulf Coast goes by ship to what appears to be Veracruz (is there more than one gulf coast port for this type commodity?). Where it goes from there I do not know - but assume it would makes sense for at least some of it to find it's way to Mexico City (about 250 miles away over hill and dale). 200 to 300 million gallons per month seems like a lot to me - but maybe it is not?
ambiguous. For instance it is far cheaper to import regular US refined LSD diesel to remote Chihuahua and Sonora than it is to ship it north from Reynosa, or Salamanca.
According to the numbers I found they move very little LSD relative to the amount of ULSD.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2358840_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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