Virginia I -81 corrider gas tax.

Reading all the posts thus far on raising fuel taxes and such in other states who say it's "for this and that", well we all know that's not going to happen cuz some little out of the way area will need a bike path or new hiking trail or play ground all paid for by fuel tax increases. Sounds just like the blow-hole gov in NY. Talks about new this, new that, but somehow, the word "cut" refuses to exit his lips.

At one time PA used to be cheaper to get fuel in than NY. Based on the 1 reply, PA is 40 cents more than NY, at least where I get diesel at as the local Pilot is usually about 30-40 cents more. Currently paying $3.04 for diesel. Can make it from Winchester to Syracuse w/o filling up, but she's getting low in order to bypass getting fuel in PA.

Talk amongst truckers who travel thru states that want to raise fuel prices substantially is to simply not buy any fuel or products/services in those states if you don't have to. In a way, a "Boy cot" if you will.

CFerguson wrote:
I agree that we should all vote. But wouldn't it be nice if there was actually a CHOICE between Tweedledum and Tweedledumber?

Both parties are Tax + Spend. Only difference is who they try to shift the taxes onto. I do fear for today's young'uns.

About the only things that will thrive with no help from people are weeds and roaches.
Well, the first step is tell Tweedledum what you expect them to do for you. Look at who is renting him, let him decide what is more important, their money or your vote. Next, keep track of what he does to/for you. In a couple of years, he has not made you happy, get involved in the primary process, find somebody less dumb. (stores full potted plants, LOL)

jdb7566 wrote:
Gas taxes are a never ending folly. EVERYBODY benefits from the road and highway system, but the burden to pay for them fall on those who actually drive on them.
Since the Arab oil embargo of the 70's, our Government has increased CAFE standards on a continual basis. Using less gasoline is good for the environment, less gasoline sales=less tax collected=less road maintenance, and the cycle continues. Many locales are discussing a tax on mileage driven. There again, the burden of road repair will fall on only those who drive on them. I guess that's the price you pay to be part of a mobile society.

The people that use roads most pays most, but everybody pays fuel taxes. Every time raw material move down the road, fuel tax is paid and added to the cost. Every time a partly finished product moves, fuel tax is paid and added to the cost. Move factory to distribution center,fuel tax is paid and added to the cost. To the store, fuel tax is paid and added to the cost. Just like higher fuel prices for any other reason, you pay for it every time the cash register rings. The only difference is if the increase comes from a increase in taxes, the people get a choice about how it is spent.
IMHO, the main mistake made was at the time of embargo the tax, in cent per gallon should of been converted to % of $ like sales tax on everything else is. For every mile driven, I'm burning less fuel, but paying more money. And a much smaller percentage is going for highways. If the tax was a percentage of cost, then it would of kept up with inflation. The increase in fuel cost might have forced more people to buy more efficient.

Lotta Pollyannas in this thread.

Gas taxes are a never ending folly. EVERYBODY benefits from the road and highway system, but the burden to pay for them fall on those who actually drive on them.
Since the Arab oil embargo of the 70's, our Government has increased CAFE standards on a continual basis. Using less gasoline is good for the environment, less gasoline sales=less tax collected=less road maintenance, and the cycle continues. Many locales are discussing a tax on mileage driven. There again, the burden of road repair will fall on only those who drive on them. I guess that's the price you pay to be part of a mobile society.

Moved from General RVing

Islandman wrote:
How about all the electric vehicles that don't pay any fuel tax, yet use the roads just like the rest of us? True, for now the EV's are just automobiles, but consider that they will get bigger and you'll start seeing electric powered big trucks and MH's? Out here in WA, too much of the gas tax (which is about the highest of any state) goes to mass transit and doesn't get spent on roads.

Don't worry, just not enough EV's on the roads yet. Once the fuel tax revenues start to fall off by having enough EV's on the road, you can expect to be reporting your mileage on your state tax forms, and digging into your pocket. The issue will be they'll also keep the fuel taxes in place. So if you drive an ICE vehicle you'll pay both at the pump and at the end of the year, and if you drive an EV you'll pay both at the end of the year and again monthly to the tax column on the electric bill. Wait until you see what happens to electric rates and taxes on them over the next 10 years, bend over and grab em folks because they're coming in dry.

Some people are geniuses regarding this. A friend who is a huge EV proponent, who has never owned one BTW, truly believes when he does buy one he's going to be charging it up free LOL. He's a dumbass and I have had to get up and find another bar stool at times when he starts his spew.

Islandman wrote:
How about all the electric vehicles that don't pay any fuel tax, yet use the roads just like the rest of us? True, for now the EV's are just automobiles, but consider that they will get bigger and you'll start seeing electric powered big trucks and MH's? Out here in WA, too much of the gas tax (which is about the highest of any state) goes to mass transit and doesn't get spent on roads.

LOL. For decades the trucking companies have reported how many miles they have run in each state, and how many gallons of fuel they paid tax on in that state. If not enough, send a check. Some time back there was some discussion making citizens report on miles driven in each vehicle, so the vehicles that use alternative fuels could be charged the road taxes.

illinois WAS going to levy an annual EV tax of $1000...but cut it back to $248: thst's much closer to what the *average* owner of a gas powered car pays. $248/$.38 (illinois per gallon tax) = 652 gallons.

How about all the electric vehicles that don't pay any fuel tax, yet use the roads just like the rest of us? True, for now the EV's are just automobiles, but consider that they will get bigger and you'll start seeing electric powered big trucks and MH's? Out here in WA, too much of the gas tax (which is about the highest of any state) goes to mass transit and doesn't get spent on roads.

That’s the nice thing about large tanks. We can fill up when and where we want within reason!