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RRinNFla
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Jun 04, 2015

Bogus campsite reservations

Recently, there was a post in another forum where the OP questioned the honesty of campground operators who swore he was getting the last site, only to find the CG half empty when he arrived.

This got me thinking about something that happens at Florida state parks, and I would imagine is a problem in other places as well. There have been many times when I have reserved one of the last available sites at a SP CG, but noticed many empty sites once I arrived.

Earlier this week, DW and I were camping at Tomoka SP, and our travels took us near Gamble Rogers in Flagler Beach, FL. We had heard this was a great spot and decided we wanted to take a look at the CG. The current CG has 34 spaces, literally on the oceanfront. We parked, walked past the sign that said "Registered Campers Only" and were looking at the various rigs and campsites, when a ranger asked us if we had obtained walk-through passes. (I had never heard of this, and it has been a long time since I was scolded by a ranger) Anyway, this led to a conversation about how popular this CG has become. There were several empty sites, but the ranger insisted they were fully booked.

This is how the ranger explained this phenomenon to me. When the reservation window opens up 11 months in advance. Some RVers will reserve every weekend in a given month, or the entire month, not knowing exactly when they will be able to travel. When their travel date gets closer they simply cancel the dates they don't want and pay a $17.50 cancellation fee for each cancellation.

So here is the math. The guy (who probably owns a $250K DP) reserves a large site every weekend for June committing $204 in reservation fees ($28/night times 8). When he cancels the other weekends he ends up spending $56 for one weekend, plus $52.50 in cancellation fees. So what does he get for $108.50, his choice of weekends, in season, at a campsite just steps from the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile the sites were unavailable for reservations by others.

My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

Am I being unreasonable?

Is there a better way?

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  • RRinNFla's avatar
    RRinNFla
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    Jun 05, 2015
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    Hanna Park, a Jacksonville city park, does not give refunds, but allows you to change your date if your plans change. The official policy is that you can only change once, but they don't enforce that. Probably because their system doesn't track how many changes you make.
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    wnjj
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    Jun 05, 2015
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    GordonThree wrote:
    4X4Dodger wrote:
    The simple no-cost solution to this pretty simple problem is to not allow more than TWO reservations by a HOUSEHOLD at any one time.

    Then as many states do, insist the site is occupied on the first day of the reservation before midnight.


    How do they confirm a household? For state parks in michigan all I need is a new email address and I can create as many households as I want. I doubt they even bother to cross check mailing address or vehicle license plate numbers. I know I'm in the system twice, once because I created my own account online and again because their call center created a new account for me with a misspelled name.

    Now if the reservations required official ID, and that ID holder had to claim the reservation in person - maybe that would cut down on the abuse...?


    My extended family loves to camp together and need 4 or 5 sites. Usually one person books them all so they're together (though names need to be provided for each). So long as the "household" limit doesn't mean each household has to book, it could work. Now verifying is another story...
  • GordonThree's avatar
    GordonThree
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    Robin1953 wrote:
    RRinNFla wrote:
    I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.
    I suspect that if they got zero refunds you would see a lot less of this. Losing $500 (hypothetically) as opposed to $17.50 would be a great deterrent. If a cancellation costs minimal dollars I suspect the practice will continue.


    Sounds fair to me... zero refund policy for reservations - the airlines can do it, and many hotels, why not campgrounds?
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    wbwood
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    Beaker wrote:
    My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

    Am I being unreasonable?

    Is there a better way?


    South Carolina requires payment in full at reservation time.
    Maybe this would stop it.


    Not necessarily....you will get all your money back minus the reservation fee if you cancel in ample time.
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    rk911
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    RRinNFla wrote:
    Recently, there was a post in another forum where the OP questioned the honesty of campground operators who swore he was getting the last site, only to find the CG half empty when he arrived.

    This got me thinking about something that happens at Florida state parks, and I would imagine is a problem in other places as well. There have been many times when I have reserved one of the last available sites at a SP CG, but noticed many empty sites once I arrived.

    Earlier this week, DW and I were camping at Tomoka SP, and our travels took us near Gamble Rogers in Flagler Beach, FL. We had heard this was a great spot and decided we wanted to take a look at the CG. The current CG has 34 spaces, literally on the oceanfront. We parked, walked past the sign that said "Registered Campers Only" and were looking at the various rigs and campsites, when a ranger asked us if we had obtained walk-through passes. (I had never heard of this, and it has been a long time since I was scolded by a ranger) Anyway, this led to a conversation about how popular this CG has become. There were several empty sites, but the ranger insisted they were fully booked.

    This is how the ranger explained this phenomenon to me. When the reservation window opens up 11 months in advance. Some RVers will reserve every weekend in a given month, or the entire month, not knowing exactly when they will be able to travel. When their travel date gets closer they simply cancel the dates they don't want and pay a $17.50 cancellation fee for each cancellation.

    So here is the math. The guy (who probably owns a $250K DP) reserves a large site every weekend for June committing $204 in reservation fees ($28/night times 8). When he cancels the other weekends he ends up spending $56 for one weekend, plus $52.50 in cancellation fees. So what does he get for $108.50, his choice of weekends, in season, at a campsite just steps from the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile the sites were unavailable for reservations by others.

    My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

    Am I being unreasonable?

    Is there a better way?


    no and yes. limit reservations to no more than 1 per 30-day period and that can be made no more than 14-days prior to scheduled arrival. if the reservation is canceled within 3-days of arrival then assess a full day's camping fee as a penalty and lock the person out of the reservation system for 30-days. the unused sites would then be open to reservation or first come/first serve.

    sure, stuff happens that sometimes screws up our plans at the last minute...been there, done that, got the t-shirt. but to simply reserve a spot for every weekend and then not show up is arrogant, selfish and rude.
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    Robin1953
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    RRinNFla wrote:
    I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.
    I suspect that if they got zero refunds you would see a lot less of this. Losing $500 (hypothetically) as opposed to $17.50 would be a great deterrent. If a cancellation costs minimal dollars I suspect the practice will continue.
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    westernrvparkow
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    RRinNFla wrote:
    majorgator wrote:
    I've heard of people reserving MANY rooms at the hotels over a 2 month weekend, then brokering them out for higher fees. Now there IS something to say about that crap...


    In the sports world that would be called scalping, and that is illegal almost everywhere.

    Again, this practice is legal, but IMHO, it is still rude because of the attitude that I am going to get what I want, and if it has a negative impact on others, that's just too bad.
    Scalping is actually legal in most states. It may be illegal to scalp them outside the venue, but all you need to do is go to any number of ticket resale sites on the internet to have the opportunity to pay more than face value for almost any sporting or concert event.
  • Deb_and_Ed_M's avatar
    Deb_and_Ed_M
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    RRinNFla wrote:
    I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.



    OK - now I understand! And again, that explains the availability of sites if you check close to the date of your intended stay?
  • GordonThree's avatar
    GordonThree
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    4X4Dodger wrote:
    The simple no-cost solution to this pretty simple problem is to not allow more than TWO reservations by a HOUSEHOLD at any one time.

    Then as many states do, insist the site is occupied on the first day of the reservation before midnight.


    How do they confirm a household? For state parks in michigan all I need is a new email address and I can create as many households as I want. I doubt they even bother to cross check mailing address or vehicle license plate numbers. I know I'm in the system twice, once because I created my own account online and again because their call center created a new account for me with a misspelled name.

    Now if the reservations required official ID, and that ID holder had to claim the reservation in person - maybe that would cut down on the abuse...?
  • rwbradley's avatar
    rwbradley
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    GordonThree wrote:
    So, where are folks selling their excess blanket reservations... craigslist? silk road? ebay?

    LOL that one made me laugh because it is so sad...

    I can just see it when Silk Road gets resurrected, it will be the go to place on the Dark Net to get your: Drugs, Guns, Rent a Hacker and Camping reservations in Florida
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This got me thinking about something that happens at Florida state parks, and I would imagine is a problem in other places as well. There have been many times when I have reserved one of the last available sites at a SP CG, but noticed many empty sites once I arrived.

Earlier this week, DW and I were camping at Tomoka SP, and our travels took us near Gamble Rogers in Flagler Beach, FL. We had heard this was a great spot and decided we wanted to take a look at the CG. The current CG has 34 spaces, literally on the oceanfront. We parked, walked past the sign that said \"Registered Campers Only\" and were looking at the various rigs and campsites, when a ranger asked us if we had obtained walk-through passes. (I had never heard of this, and it has been a long time since I was scolded by a ranger) Anyway, this led to a conversation about how popular this CG has become. There were several empty sites, but the ranger insisted they were fully booked.

This is how the ranger explained this phenomenon to me. When the reservation window opens up 11 months in advance. Some RVers will reserve every weekend in a given month, or the entire month, not knowing exactly when they will be able to travel. When their travel date gets closer they simply cancel the dates they don't want and pay a $17.50 cancellation fee for each cancellation.

So here is the math. The guy (who probably owns a $250K DP) reserves a large site every weekend for June committing $204 in reservation fees ($28/night times 8). When he cancels the other weekends he ends up spending $56 for one weekend, plus $52.50 in cancellation fees. So what does he get for $108.50, his choice of weekends, in season, at a campsite just steps from the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile the sites were unavailable for reservations by others.

My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

Am I being unreasonable?

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This got me thinking about something that happens at Florida state parks, and I would imagine is a problem in other places as well. There have been many times when I have reserved one of the last available sites at a SP CG, but noticed many empty sites once I arrived.

Earlier this week, DW and I were camping at Tomoka SP, and our travels took us near Gamble Rogers in Flagler Beach, FL. We had heard this was a great spot and decided we wanted to take a look at the CG. The current CG has 34 spaces, literally on the oceanfront. We parked, walked past the sign that said \"Registered Campers Only\" and were looking at the various rigs and campsites, when a ranger asked us if we had obtained walk-through passes. (I had never heard of this, and it has been a long time since I was scolded by a ranger) Anyway, this led to a conversation about how popular this CG has become. There were several empty sites, but the ranger insisted they were fully booked.

This is how the ranger explained this phenomenon to me. When the reservation window opens up 11 months in advance. Some RVers will reserve every weekend in a given month, or the entire month, not knowing exactly when they will be able to travel. When their travel date gets closer they simply cancel the dates they don't want and pay a $17.50 cancellation fee for each cancellation.

So here is the math. The guy (who probably owns a $250K DP) reserves a large site every weekend for June committing $204 in reservation fees ($28/night times 8). When he cancels the other weekends he ends up spending $56 for one weekend, plus $52.50 in cancellation fees. So what does he get for $108.50, his choice of weekends, in season, at a campsite just steps from the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile the sites were unavailable for reservations by others.

My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

Am I being unreasonable?

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Jacksonville city park, does not give refunds, but allows you to change your date if your plans change. The official policy is that you can only change once, but they don't enforce that. 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The official policy is that you can only change once, but they don't enforce that. 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GordonThree wrote:
4X4Dodger wrote:
The simple no-cost solution to this pretty simple problem is to not allow more than TWO reservations by a HOUSEHOLD at any one time.

Then as many states do, insist the site is occupied on the first day of the reservation before midnight.


How do they confirm a household? For state parks in michigan all I need is a new email address and I can create as many households as I want. I doubt they even bother to cross check mailing address or vehicle license plate numbers. I know I'm in the system twice, once because I created my own account online and again because their call center created a new account for me with a misspelled name.

Now if the reservations required official ID, and that ID holder had to claim the reservation in person - maybe that would cut down on the abuse...?


My extended family loves to camp together and need 4 or 5 sites. Usually one person books them all so they're together (though names need to be provided for each). So long as the \"household\" limit doesn't mean each household has to book, it could work. Now verifying is another story...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T08:48:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T08:48:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":186},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834109","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1214","rawBody":"
GordonThree wrote:
4X4Dodger wrote:
The simple no-cost solution to this pretty simple problem is to not allow more than TWO reservations by a HOUSEHOLD at any one time.

Then as many states do, insist the site is occupied on the first day of the reservation before midnight.


How do they confirm a household? For state parks in michigan all I need is a new email address and I can create as many households as I want. I doubt they even bother to cross check mailing address or vehicle license plate numbers. I know I'm in the system twice, once because I created my own account online and again because their call center created a new account for me with a misspelled name.

Now if the reservations required official ID, and that ID holder had to claim the reservation in person - maybe that would cut down on the abuse...?


My extended family loves to camp together and need 4 or 5 sites. Usually one person books them all so they're together (though names need to be provided for each). So long as the \"household\" limit doesn't mean each household has to book, it could work. Now verifying is another story...","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1834109_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:182087":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:182087","uid":182087,"login":"GordonThree","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-05-19T15:15:07.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:182087"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834108":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1834108","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1834108":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:182087"},"id":"message:1834108","revisionNum":1,"uid":1834108,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1834063"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1834063"},"subject":"Re: Bogus campsite reservations","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834108"},"body":"
Robin1953 wrote:
RRinNFla wrote:
I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.
I suspect that if they got zero refunds you would see a lot less of this. Losing $500 (hypothetically) as opposed to $17.50 would be a great deterrent. If a cancellation costs minimal dollars I suspect the practice will continue.


Sounds fair to me... zero refund policy for reservations - the airlines can do it, and many hotels, why not campgrounds?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T08:37:50.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T08:37:50.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":186},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834108","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"689","rawBody":"
Robin1953 wrote:
RRinNFla wrote:
I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.
I suspect that if they got zero refunds you would see a lot less of this. Losing $500 (hypothetically) as opposed to $17.50 would be a great deterrent. If a cancellation costs minimal dollars I suspect the practice will continue.


Sounds fair to me... zero refund policy for reservations - the airlines can do it, and many hotels, why not campgrounds?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1834108_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:367659":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:367659","uid":367659,"login":"wbwood","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-05-01T09:46:56.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:367659"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834107":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1834107","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1834107":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:367659"},"id":"message:1834107","revisionNum":1,"uid":1834107,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1834063"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1834063"},"subject":"Re: Bogus campsite reservations","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834107"},"body":"
Beaker wrote:
My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

Am I being unreasonable?

Is there a better way?


South Carolina requires payment in full at reservation time.
Maybe this would stop it.


Not necessarily....you will get all your money back minus the reservation fee if you cancel in ample time.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T08:35:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T08:35:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":187},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834107","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"634","rawBody":"
Beaker wrote:
My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

Am I being unreasonable?

Is there a better way?


South Carolina requires payment in full at reservation time.
Maybe this would stop it.


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RRinNFla wrote:
Recently, there was a post in another forum where the OP questioned the honesty of campground operators who swore he was getting the last site, only to find the CG half empty when he arrived.

This got me thinking about something that happens at Florida state parks, and I would imagine is a problem in other places as well. There have been many times when I have reserved one of the last available sites at a SP CG, but noticed many empty sites once I arrived.

Earlier this week, DW and I were camping at Tomoka SP, and our travels took us near Gamble Rogers in Flagler Beach, FL. We had heard this was a great spot and decided we wanted to take a look at the CG. The current CG has 34 spaces, literally on the oceanfront. We parked, walked past the sign that said \"Registered Campers Only\" and were looking at the various rigs and campsites, when a ranger asked us if we had obtained walk-through passes. (I had never heard of this, and it has been a long time since I was scolded by a ranger) Anyway, this led to a conversation about how popular this CG has become. There were several empty sites, but the ranger insisted they were fully booked.

This is how the ranger explained this phenomenon to me. When the reservation window opens up 11 months in advance. Some RVers will reserve every weekend in a given month, or the entire month, not knowing exactly when they will be able to travel. When their travel date gets closer they simply cancel the dates they don't want and pay a $17.50 cancellation fee for each cancellation.

So here is the math. The guy (who probably owns a $250K DP) reserves a large site every weekend for June committing $204 in reservation fees ($28/night times 8). When he cancels the other weekends he ends up spending $56 for one weekend, plus $52.50 in cancellation fees. So what does he get for $108.50, his choice of weekends, in season, at a campsite just steps from the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile the sites were unavailable for reservations by others.

My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

Am I being unreasonable?

Is there a better way?


no and yes. limit reservations to no more than 1 per 30-day period and that can be made no more than 14-days prior to scheduled arrival. if the reservation is canceled within 3-days of arrival then assess a full day's camping fee as a penalty and lock the person out of the reservation system for 30-days. the unused sites would then be open to reservation or first come/first serve.

sure, stuff happens that sometimes screws up our plans at the last minute...been there, done that, got the t-shirt. but to simply reserve a spot for every weekend and then not show up is arrogant, selfish and rude.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T08:32:22.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T08:32:22.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":186},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834106","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"3049","rawBody":"
RRinNFla wrote:
Recently, there was a post in another forum where the OP questioned the honesty of campground operators who swore he was getting the last site, only to find the CG half empty when he arrived.

This got me thinking about something that happens at Florida state parks, and I would imagine is a problem in other places as well. There have been many times when I have reserved one of the last available sites at a SP CG, but noticed many empty sites once I arrived.

Earlier this week, DW and I were camping at Tomoka SP, and our travels took us near Gamble Rogers in Flagler Beach, FL. We had heard this was a great spot and decided we wanted to take a look at the CG. The current CG has 34 spaces, literally on the oceanfront. We parked, walked past the sign that said \"Registered Campers Only\" and were looking at the various rigs and campsites, when a ranger asked us if we had obtained walk-through passes. (I had never heard of this, and it has been a long time since I was scolded by a ranger) Anyway, this led to a conversation about how popular this CG has become. There were several empty sites, but the ranger insisted they were fully booked.

This is how the ranger explained this phenomenon to me. When the reservation window opens up 11 months in advance. Some RVers will reserve every weekend in a given month, or the entire month, not knowing exactly when they will be able to travel. When their travel date gets closer they simply cancel the dates they don't want and pay a $17.50 cancellation fee for each cancellation.

So here is the math. The guy (who probably owns a $250K DP) reserves a large site every weekend for June committing $204 in reservation fees ($28/night times 8). When he cancels the other weekends he ends up spending $56 for one weekend, plus $52.50 in cancellation fees. So what does he get for $108.50, his choice of weekends, in season, at a campsite just steps from the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile the sites were unavailable for reservations by others.

My gripe: what about those of us who can't make plans 11 months in advance or don't feel like we have and extra $50 to throw away. I thought that part of the idea of the park system was to make sure that these lovely places were not reserved solely for the wealthy.

Am I being unreasonable?

Is there a better way?


no and yes. limit reservations to no more than 1 per 30-day period and that can be made no more than 14-days prior to scheduled arrival. if the reservation is canceled within 3-days of arrival then assess a full day's camping fee as a penalty and lock the person out of the reservation system for 30-days. the unused sites would then be open to reservation or first come/first serve.

sure, stuff happens that sometimes screws up our plans at the last minute...been there, done that, got the t-shirt. but to simply reserve a spot for every weekend and then not show up is arrogant, selfish and rude.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1834106_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:77480":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:77480","uid":77480,"login":"Robin1953","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-04-21T15:40:27.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:77480"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834105":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1834105","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1834105":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:77480"},"id":"message:1834105","revisionNum":1,"uid":1834105,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1834063"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1834063"},"subject":"Re: Bogus campsite reservations","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834105"},"body":"
RRinNFla wrote:
I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.
I suspect that if they got zero refunds you would see a lot less of this. Losing $500 (hypothetically) as opposed to $17.50 would be a great deterrent. If a cancellation costs minimal dollars I suspect the practice will continue.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T08:23:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T08:23:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":186},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834105","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"510","rawBody":"
RRinNFla wrote:
I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.
I suspect that if they got zero refunds you would see a lot less of this. Losing $500 (hypothetically) as opposed to $17.50 would be a great deterrent. If a cancellation costs minimal dollars I suspect the practice will continue.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1834105_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:141458":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:141458","uid":141458,"login":"westernrvparkow","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-11-29T18:52:15.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:141458"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834104":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1834104","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1834104":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:141458"},"id":"message:1834104","revisionNum":1,"uid":1834104,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1834063"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1834063"},"subject":"Re: Bogus campsite reservations","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834104"},"body":"
RRinNFla wrote:
majorgator wrote:
I've heard of people reserving MANY rooms at the hotels over a 2 month weekend, then brokering them out for higher fees. Now there IS something to say about that crap...


In the sports world that would be called scalping, and that is illegal almost everywhere.

Again, this practice is legal, but IMHO, it is still rude because of the attitude that I am going to get what I want, and if it has a negative impact on others, that's just too bad.
Scalping is actually legal in most states. It may be illegal to scalp them outside the venue, but all you need to do is go to any number of ticket resale sites on the internet to have the opportunity to pay more than face value for almost any sporting or concert event.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T07:47:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T07:47:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":186},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834104","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"829","rawBody":"
RRinNFla wrote:
majorgator wrote:
I've heard of people reserving MANY rooms at the hotels over a 2 month weekend, then brokering them out for higher fees. Now there IS something to say about that crap...


In the sports world that would be called scalping, and that is illegal almost everywhere.

Again, this practice is legal, but IMHO, it is still rude because of the attitude that I am going to get what I want, and if it has a negative impact on others, that's just too bad.
Scalping is actually legal in most states. It may be illegal to scalp them outside the venue, but all you need to do is go to any number of ticket resale sites on the internet to have the opportunity to pay more than face value for almost any sporting or concert event.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1834104_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:196655":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:196655","uid":196655,"login":"Deb_and_Ed_M","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-06-07T07:54:37.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:196655"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834103":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1834103","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1834103":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:196655"},"id":"message:1834103","revisionNum":1,"uid":1834103,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1834063"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1834063"},"subject":"Re: Bogus campsite reservations","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834103"},"body":"
RRinNFla wrote:
I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.



OK - now I understand! And again, that explains the availability of sites if you check close to the date of your intended stay?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T07:44:42.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T07:44:42.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":186},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834103","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"432","rawBody":"
RRinNFla wrote:
I don't think Michigan's system would stop this practice. These folks make four separate reservations, then cancel the ones they don't want at the last minute. They do pay up front, but if they cancel they get all but 17.50 refunded.



OK - now I understand! And again, that explains the availability of sites if you check close to the date of your intended stay?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1834103_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834102":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1834102","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1834102":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:182087"},"id":"message:1834102","revisionNum":1,"uid":1834102,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1834063"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1834063"},"subject":"Re: Bogus campsite reservations","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834102"},"body":"
4X4Dodger wrote:
The simple no-cost solution to this pretty simple problem is to not allow more than TWO reservations by a HOUSEHOLD at any one time.

Then as many states do, insist the site is occupied on the first day of the reservation before midnight.


How do they confirm a household? For state parks in michigan all I need is a new email address and I can create as many households as I want. I doubt they even bother to cross check mailing address or vehicle license plate numbers. I know I'm in the system twice, once because I created my own account online and again because their call center created a new account for me with a misspelled name.

Now if the reservations required official ID, and that ID holder had to claim the reservation in person - maybe that would cut down on the abuse...?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T06:28:39.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T06:28:39.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":187},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834102","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"864","rawBody":"
4X4Dodger wrote:
The simple no-cost solution to this pretty simple problem is to not allow more than TWO reservations by a HOUSEHOLD at any one time.

Then as many states do, insist the site is occupied on the first day of the reservation before midnight.


How do they confirm a household? For state parks in michigan all I need is a new email address and I can create as many households as I want. I doubt they even bother to cross check mailing address or vehicle license plate numbers. I know I'm in the system twice, once because I created my own account online and again because their call center created a new account for me with a misspelled name.

Now if the reservations required official ID, and that ID holder had to claim the reservation in person - maybe that would cut down on the abuse...?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1834102_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:38148":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:38148","uid":38148,"login":"rwbradley","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-05-05T17:33:57.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:38148"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834101":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1834101","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1834101":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:38148"},"id":"message:1834101","revisionNum":1,"uid":1834101,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1834063"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1834063"},"subject":"Re: Bogus campsite reservations","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1834101"},"body":"
GordonThree wrote:
So, where are folks selling their excess blanket reservations... craigslist? silk road? ebay?

LOL that one made me laugh because it is so sad...

I can just see it when Silk Road gets resurrected, it will be the go to place on the Dark Net to get your: Drugs, Guns, Rent a Hacker and Camping reservations in Florida","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-06-05T06:20:38.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-06-05T06:20:38.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":120},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:1834063/message:1834101","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"379","rawBody":"
GordonThree wrote:
So, where are folks selling their excess blanket reservations... craigslist? silk road? ebay?

LOL that one made me laugh because it is so sad...

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